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Obama Leaves Pennsylvania, Heads to Indiana

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:09:23 PM EST
Tags: Pennsylvania '08, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)
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Barack Obama isn't sticking around Pennsylvania to get the results. He's headed to a rally in Indiana.

John Mellecamp will perform at the Obama rally, but CNN says he's not endorsing Obama and will perform at a rally for both candidates in a few weeks.

Hillary is staying in Pennsylvania tonight and will hold a rally at a hotel in Philadelphia.

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    Obama Leaves Pennsylvania, Heads to Indiana | 62 comments (62 topical)

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    Neutrality (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by cawaltz on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:13:23 PM EST
    There is something severely wrong when our leadership doesn't understand neutrality but Mellencamp does.

    So much word (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:23:09 PM EST
    Maybe we can make Mellencamp a DNC pundit and let Brazile front his band.

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    His band deserves better (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:24:10 PM EST
    as, of course, do we.

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    Strange bedfellows (none / 0) (#26)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:36:00 PM EST
    this year.

    I found myself agreeing with Rush L.  LOL*

    (I got scared and changed the channel!)

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    5 for honesty (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:47:59 PM EST
    althoiugh you will still burn in hell for the sin of thinking that.

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    So... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by AmyinSC on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:16:58 PM EST
    Is the media reaming him like they did Clinton when she left SC early?!?!?!  The MSM went ON, and ON, and ON abt her leaving!!  I guess it's okay if Obama does it, though, right?  Sheesh.

    Someone on TV said his leaving for IN (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:31:23 PM EST
    was what the politically astute do--always go to the next voting site.

    But, as you mentioned, that was not how Clinton was talked about.

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    a different spin for Obama - shocking (none / 0) (#21)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:32:58 PM EST


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    They keep bringing it up, yes. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Addison on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:20:58 PM EST
    The media is bringing it up virtually every chance they get, yes.

    It's always confusing with these sorts of responses where suddenly Obama is called out on something that Clinton did in the past (or vice versa). Do you approve or disapprove of the conduct? Or what?

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    for those who aren't watching the Talking Heads (none / 0) (#8)
    by ccpup on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:23:39 PM EST
    it's nice to learn that at least with this they're holding Obama to a similar standard that they held Clinton and her leaving SC early to.

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    Agreed. (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by AmyinSC on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:38:28 PM EST
    That is all I want - for him to receive the same kind of treatment she does.  Better YET, for her to receive the kind of treatment HE has gotten!!  :-)

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    Don't forget McCain (none / 0) (#54)
    by dianem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:07:43 PM EST
    He has to be held to the same standards as both of them.

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    Yes... (none / 0) (#62)
    by AmyinSC on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:52:46 PM EST
    Good point!

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    still smarting (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by isaac on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:29:53 PM EST
    over the grateful dead obama benefit.  then again, those guys never did know much about politics, kinda hard when you're out in the wasteland exploring archetypes

    years ago, (none / 0) (#39)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:44:17 PM EST
    mickey hart testified before congress about tibet. and bob weir had an op-ed in the new york times about deforestation.

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    Well, look at the similarities.. (none / 0) (#58)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:29:55 PM EST
    Obamacans and Deadheads...probably a huge overlap. Both groups are big-time followers. Heh.

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    Buchanan just called Obama a Wimp (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:35:48 PM EST
    saying he is playing the victim card.

    Buchannan (5.00 / 0) (#29)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:36:56 PM EST
    is right.

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    Buchanan... (none / 0) (#55)
    by dianem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:09:13 PM EST
    ...is an idiot. Obama isn't a wimp for leaving town any more than Clinton was for leaving when she did. He is on a campaign schedule and there is no reason to hang around to make a concession speech when he can do it just as well from somewhere else.

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    If Buchanan (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:15:10 PM EST
    was referring to his going to Indiana, then I agree with you.

    They both have done that.

    I've posted, not that you would necessarily read or follow, I don't listen to the pundits.

    I watch Monk.

    LOL*

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    no it was for playing victim (none / 0) (#59)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:41:55 PM EST


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    Oops Ford just said he also needs to stop crying (none / 0) (#42)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:46:59 PM EST
    when he thinks he attacked its just part of the process it happens move on ...

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    58 percent of late decider broke for Clinton (none / 0) (#47)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:50:22 PM EST
    seems bitter gate and the debate did have an impact after all.

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    he's been called worse... (none / 0) (#48)
    by white n az on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:51:19 PM EST
    Says Time's Mark Halperin supposedly quoting John Edwards

    Buchanan isn't breaking new ground here...

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    Heh. (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:41:16 PM EST
    I was giving a tour of an apartment here in Chicago and my client had flown in from Pennsylvania.  I asked if he'd voted and he said he's registered IL but his parents did.

    And he said they voted for the wrong person.

    "Ah," I said.  And he looked at me, a young gay male voter and replied "Yeah, they voted Hillary."

    I had to bite my cheek so I wouldn't grin from ear to ear.

    Fox not giving out exit poll figures (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:00:29 PM EST
    b/c historically Barack does better in exit polls than in the actual results.

    has he been crushed? (none / 0) (#61)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:50:47 PM EST
    sounds suspiciously like it.

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    A bit of an odd bird (none / 0) (#1)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:11:25 PM EST
    that Mellencamp, eh?

    True Dem (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:48:19 PM EST
    Not reason not to party with the party.

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    I know the Bellevue well (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:22:35 PM EST
    I worked across the street for two summers and regularly ate lunch in its food court.

    Hillary is doing her after party there (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:22:56 PM EST


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    You need to interpret the county results for (none / 0) (#10)
    by Teresa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:23:57 PM EST
    us as they come in.

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    I'll do my best (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:25:58 PM EST


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    52 Percent of Registered Dems WOW (none / 0) (#9)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:23:45 PM EST
    /www.electionreturns.state.pa.us

    official site add the http:

    I think that's bad compared to other states? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Teresa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:25:46 PM EST


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    I don't see any such data yet (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:26:45 PM EST
    anyway, Still 35 minutes to vote or get in line to vote.

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    40% of voters gun owners (none / 0) (#31)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:37:50 PM EST
    per AP exit polls.  Unless they're hunters who stop at Starbucks for latte, hmmmmm.

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    New York Times is reporting that too (none / 0) (#40)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:45:33 PM EST
    As mentioned to them from election officials.

    Whatever happens, this can't be bad for Democrats.

    In my experience, fewer than 5% of primary voters drop from the General.

    Strong correlation between a primary vote and general election vote.

    Primaries do matter.

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    Wow (none / 0) (#49)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST
    If that's the case, that's about 2.2 million voters, or about 78% of the 2004 Kerry vote.  That's pretty close to Ohio's turnout, and that was an open primary and PA is a closed primary.

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    Obama just robocalled me again (none / 0) (#14)
    by Makarov on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:26:38 PM EST
    and he sounded desperate.  "I need you to go now, knock on the doors of your neighbors and make sure they vote."  The call came at 7:05pm, with 55 min left before the polls close.

    I just love elections. I hope I'm not miserable (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Teresa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:28:04 PM EST
    later tonight.

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    Did he promise you the VP? (n/t) (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by ineedalife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:28:28 PM EST


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    Does he do that? (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Makarov on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:36:46 PM EST
    Maybe I should've listened all the way through...

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    In any case, (none / 0) (#30)
    by Makarov on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:37:25 PM EST
    I have a feeling Richardson may already have that promise.

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    planned desperation (none / 0) (#22)
    by Addison on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:33:37 PM EST
    Hahaha, "...he sounded desperate." You know how subject to stress those pre-recorded robocalls are. It sounds, Makarov, like you got a message that was going to go out in the final hours and was probably recorded yesterday or before.

    But, I mean, I suppose Barack Obama could've suddenly become panic-stricken at the predicted result (Hillary by 6-10) apparently playing out and he jumped to his blackberry and recorded a "desperate" robocall, "desperately" set up the calling service (in record time!), and that's what happened.

    Or maybe you just want to make his competent GOTV effort look like frantic weakness? But what good would that do?

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    Sometimes on this site we snark. (none / 0) (#38)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:41:53 PM EST


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    Last minute robocall (none / 0) (#45)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:49:16 PM EST
    is not really a great gambit.

    There's little to no research that shows they work. In my experience they might have a little influence. But I'm not really to enamored with them. Of course, in a few weeks time I'll probably be responsible for one.

    They are cheap, really really cheap, so it was probably just a little afterthought.

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    Robobama (none / 0) (#46)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:49:16 PM EST


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    Salon threads have be quiet all day (none / 0) (#56)
    by dianem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:12:58 PM EST
    I suspect that the Obamabots are out doing GOTV for Axelrod. I truly believe that a significant number of poster's over there are Axelrod plants. It makes sense that they would be working on campaign GOTV efforts today.

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    Does Obama leaving PA (none / 0) (#20)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:31:48 PM EST
    mean he knows he will lose?
    Is that the usual theory when candidates leave?
    Everyone knows he will lose. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Addison on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:33:53 PM EST


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    Judge: Polls to stay open? (none / 0) (#24)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:34:05 PM EST
    Someone is in front of a judge asking to have polls kept open later.  Per Fox.

    Motion denied (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:40:07 PM EST
    the first time, unless they came back the second time.  Judge said three affidavits of problems (basically, swamped pollworkers) in Philly did not constitute broad problems requiring broad remedies such as the requested extension of poll hours until 10 p.m.  Thank heavens, so we may get to bed tonight at some semi-decent hour.

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    Why?! (none / 0) (#27)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:36:30 PM EST
    No weather issues that I know of. Are there voting issues? And is it the O camp?

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    No Quarter has post about HuffPo (none / 0) (#33)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:38:55 PM EST
    laying groundwork for saying Obama lost in PA becz of white racists guys.  Have screen shot of two highly unappealing shirtless white guys.

    Ewwww.

    The Site (none / 0) (#36)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:40:13 PM EST
    that shall remain unnamed......

    has imploded.

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    I'm scared to go look (5.00 / 0) (#51)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:52:59 PM EST
    are Clinton supporters all racists again or just too stupid to push the right button?

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    No endorsement? (none / 0) (#34)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:39:23 PM EST
    He couldn't find a band which endorsed him?

    That's sort of sad.

    Turnout (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:46:17 PM EST
    81% White, 14% A-A, 5% Other.

    The earlier SUSA polls look more accurate (none / 0) (#43)
    by Teresa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:47:30 PM EST
    now? Unless this exit poll is wrong.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#50)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:52:36 PM EST
    I think that's the exact turnout they predicted.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#52)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:54:38 PM EST
    That is dead on.  81-14-5

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