Joe Biden: Move Along, Nothing New

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:39:00 AM EST
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The New York Times is pumping Joe Biden again . Why do I say that? Because as I was reading this article today, "Joe Biden Gets Serious", I felt like I had read it before. I just searched for it. Here's last week's Joe Biden Wades Further Into 2016 Bid.. The articles share a co-author. Both talk about meetings with private donors, the revving up of a draft Biden campaign, his late son's hope he'd run, supportive quotes from long time cronies, and suggestions that Hillary's campaign is in trouble. [More...]

I'm not saying the articles are the same, just that they are similar enough that no update was warranted considering there is little new in the second one. Example: Last week's article:

A once bare-bones “Draft Biden” movement has entered a new, more aggressive phase that resembles an exploratory committee. With a Biden family loyalist now involved, the group is contacting Democratic insiders about everything from how to establish a presence at the Iowa State Fair this week to which Democratic donors and officials in South Carolina need to be contacted.

Today:

In addition, a “Draft Biden” group has started to build an infrastructure to use if the vice president enters the race. After initially focusing on raising money for their effort, they have begun to hire field organizers.

“Over the next few weeks we hope to expand our operations so we can communicate with more voters about Vice President Biden’s record,” said Josh Alcorn, a Biden family friend working for the group.

Both articles are puff-pieces. Both apparently rely on the same source (Biden son's advisor Alcorn, now a Biden advisor) for the "Draft Biden" quotes. We get it. Joe Biden's supporters want to draft him. There's no news here until he is reported to have made a decision.

Joe Biden testing the waters is not news. He's been laying in the weeds for ages, just in case something were to derail Hillary's campaign.

Today's article does have a new quote:

Everybody thinks the world of Joe Biden,” said Jay S. Jacobs, a contributor and former chairman of the New York Democratic Party. “

I sure don't. He's been the nation's #1 crime-warrior and police supporter for the past 25 years. He authored or shepherded almost every bad crime bill of the last 25 years.

He will be 76 years old when he takes office, should he be elected, meaning in all probability, he'd be a one term president, putting the Democrats at greater risk in 2020. He's also politically tone-deaf, which is why his prior campaigns never took off.

I wouldn't vote for Joe Biden any more than I'd vote for Rudy Giuliani. He's tried to run twice before. If anyone should understand "three strikes you're out", it's Biden. He should retire and write his memoirs.

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Well, he seems to be thinking about it (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:27:38 PM EST

Washington (CNN)Vice President Joe Biden met privately with Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Saturday in his residence at the Naval Observatory, CNN has learned, another sign he is seriously deciding whether to jump into the Democratic presidential race.

The meeting between Biden and Warren, confirmed by two people familiar with the session, is the biggest indication yet that Biden is feeling out influential Democrats before announcing his intentions.

Beloved by liberal Democrats, Warren decided to sit out a campaign of her own, but she has yet to formally endorse a candidate. In an interview on Friday, she told WBZ in Boston: "I don't think anyone has been anointed."

Being (5.00 / 1) (#38)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 02:12:43 PM EST

that Biden was pretty much pretty much the anti-Warren regarding her signature issue, I don't think you can not read too much into it. I can not see it as him trying to line up support here, perhaps he was probing his chances with the Warren/Sanders wing or most likely laying the ground work for a truce if "Plan B from Delaware is ever launched". Perish the thought.


Perhaps (none / 0) (#45)
by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 11:56:16 PM EST

A Biden Warren ticket in the making.


Lol (none / 0) (#46)
by TrevorBolder on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 05:19:03 AM EST

And Warren runs for President after 4 years

Only 1 way that ever transpires


Eggs Ackley (none / 0) (#50)
by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 01:42:30 PM EST

With a public one term commitment from Joe.


: Democracy for America (none / 0) (#51)
by TrevorBolder on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 01:47:23 PM EST

Will not let the idea of a Warren Presidential run die. And neither will the press
By Alexander Bolton - 08/23/15 10:30 AM EDT
Liberal activists and strategists argue Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) would be beating Hillary Clinton in the polls by now if she had opted to run for president as a champion of Wall Street reform
"I think she'd be beating Hillary. That's my opinion," said Charles Chamberlain, executive director of Democracy for America, who earlier this year worked on a campaign to draft Warren to run for president.

Very likely (none / 0) (#48)
by CaptHowdy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 12:50:57 PM EST

i feel certain that after refusing every offer and request and plead and demand that she become the presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren would obviously sign on to be Joe Bidens running mate.

I would bet on it.


It (5.00 / 1) (#53)
by FlJoe on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 05:03:34 PM EST

seems we have arrived in "waiting for Godot" territory. In my opinion, barring a smoking gun revelation, this issue will not be resolved until the FBI finishes the investigation. Does anybody have any idea what the time line of the investigation is? Should we expect a definitive report able to settle the issue for good, or is a there a chance they will just call "no harm no foul" and leave us in the same mess.

: Sane people want it over. (5.00 / 1) (#54)
by Mr Natural on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 07:34:20 PM EST

Insane people want the "investigation" to drag on for another fourteen months.

Jeralyn would be happy (5.00 / 1) (#55)
by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 10:49:29 AM EST

CNN just brought up Joe Biden's crime bill that everyone is having to renounce now.

More reminders of his role (none / 0) (#61)
by ruffian on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 06:05:14 AM EST

As the Democratic face of the crime bill here in Slate


That is a good read (none / 0) (#62)
by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:00:03 AM EST

Yuck, he worked with Strom Thurmond and the Reagan administration to get thus civil asset forfeiture legislation that is allowing police officers to rob you on the side of the road. My God! Thanks Joe

Something I contemplate too, as crime fell and police departments militarized, didn't that also skew the gun control discussion? A lot of people in the South are full of fear of authorities "taking them over" and thus fuels gun hunger.


Working (none / 0) (#63)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:20:51 AM EST

with Strom Thurmond. That one sentence is enough to collapse Joe's entire campaign.


My fear is (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:29:52 AM EST

that Joe might be counting on the medias hatred for Hillary to keep them from going after any if this stuff.

Until he is the front runner.

I can't make myself believe Biden will be stupid enough to do this. But I have always thought he was a fool. I never understood the VP pick other than being a suit that would not upstage Obama.


I don't think that will happen (none / 0) (#65)
by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:34:57 AM EST

Because BLM has been directly confronting candidates. According to that writing that Ruffian linked to Biden isn't willing to say he got it all wrong. Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley have all agreed we are on the wrong course. BLM will appropriately eviserate Biden if he isn't willing to acknowledge we have serious police brutality/over incarceration issues and desperately need reform.


Not about BLM about MSM (none / 0) (#66)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:47:31 AM EST

they will cover what they want


Oh, if BLM (none / 0) (#67)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:59:43 AM EST

confronts him the media will carry it. They carried them confronting Hillary and Bernie.


BLM has just launched Campaign Zero (none / 0) (#68)
by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 09:06:40 AM EST

I can't say it is in response to their meeting with Clinton, because some of their activists had to be developing a legislative game plan. But it is along the vein of what she discussed with them.

They are tightening and focusing. The MSM is not going to be able to ignore BLM. I notice today Shaun King put up a diary of a mentally ill man being shot to death in Alabama too...for being mentally ill. The man was white. So BLM is appropriately expanding the tent now too bringing in other high risk populations.


C&L does a better job of making my point (5.00 / 1) (#71)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 09:52:47 AM EST

which is not actually about BLM

But the second reason a Biden run is supposed to be good for Hillary strains credulity:

Two, Biden jumping in would swap the scandal-focused coverage of Clinton and replace it with horserace-focused coverage. It has become increasingly apparent that Hillary Clinton might not be able to beat a unified political press corps on constant scandal patrol. But she could beat Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders.
It's nice of Todd & Co. to acknowledge that the press is actually working to defeat Clinton. But why would that stop if Biden gets into the race? The press is already writing both types of stories -- stories about the email saga and stories about Clinton's battle to win what was supposed to be an easy race -- with just Sanders in the race as a major challenger. (Look at his crowds! Look at his poll numbers in New Hampshire!) The coverage isn't going to switch to all-horserace if Biden gets in -- the GOP and its many loose-tongued email-saga leakers will see to that. Clinton's difficulties won't change. They'll add up.
But she may still retain a lead, perhaps because far fewer real Americans care about the scandals than we think, perhaps because she'll find her voice on the campaign trail, perhaps because neither nor Sanders or Biden is a strong enough candidate to beat her. We have no idea. But no, a Biden candidacy is not going to change the press coverage of Clinton. It'll remain relentlessly negative, because this year the press is determined to take Clinton down.

It's just me (5.00 / 1) (#72)
by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 10:59:41 AM EST

But I believe Biden's negative press coverage would be much worse. He would likely take negative focus off Clinton.


I see Joe as someone who would (5.00 / 3) (#74)
by Anne on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:40:35 AM EST

join in the Clinton-bashing - maybe the media senses that, too, and that's one reason they're stirring all this sh!t up. Because if Joe piles on, it will be a permission slip for the media to keep up the attacks.

It would give new meaning to the term "second wind."

By the way, where is Hillary Clinton? I don't see or hear much coverage about her events, or see or hear much positive messaging from her campaign.


Here's Hillary's schedule for this week (5.00 / 2) (#76)
by CoralGables on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 02:41:18 PM EST

It should be noted she's also on vacation this week.

Wednesday August 26
Ankeny, Iowa 11:15am
Sioux City, Iowa 4:00pm
Baldwin, Iowa 7:30pm

Thursday, August 27
Cleveland, Ohio 9:00am

Friday, August 28
Minneapolis, Minnesota


Could be a new meme by the media (none / 0) (#84)
by Nemi on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 06:34:01 AM EST

'The invisible Hillary' ... or some such? Clinton's Press Secretary Makes Sense of the Nonsense

Perhaps detecting the eminent fizzling of yet another round of eGhazi, just today Dylan Byers at Politico decided to resurrect the even more idiotic "Hillary won't talk to the press" thing. It didn't go well.
[...]
As a result of Fallon's efforts, Politico's headline changed from "Clinton Reneges on Promise to Do `More Press'" to the only slightly less wrong "Clinton Reneges on National Interviews", with further corrections in the piece itself.
[...]
It goes on and on. The point is, the Clinton campaign is having none of this malarkey and I recommend following this guy on Twitter if you'd like to stay sane for the next 14 and 1/2 months.

: And speaking of Brian Fallon there's this: (none / 0) (#85)
by Nemi on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 06:41:44 AM EST

Simplest Ever Explanation of Hillary's Emails - In a Tweetstorm

It's just you (none / 0) (#73)
by CaptHowdy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 11:03:41 AM EST

: No it's not (none / 0) (#83)
by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 08:07:19 PM EST

Her fundamentals are still stellar. YOU'RE buying into the horse race crap :)

Including Bernie Sanders (none / 0) (#89)
by jbindc on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 08:06:32 AM EST

Who voted for it.


oldsmobile? (5.00 / 1) (#56)
by thomas rogan on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 05:41:44 PM EST

And the Hillary of 1992 isn't "your mother's Oldsmobile"? Neither of them would have a chance if a real Democrat would announce. As you say, enough of the politics of the past.

Major Oy from Mr. O. (5.00 / 1) (#58)
by lentinel on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 08:00:49 PM EST

WASHINGTON, Aug 24 (Reuters) - The White House on Monday praised the political acumen and experience of U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, who is considering whether to run for president in the November 2016 election.
President Barack Obama "has indicated his view that the decision that he made seven years ago now to add Joe Biden to the ticket as his running mate was the smartest decision he had ever made in politics," White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters at a briefing.
"I think that should give you some sense of the president's view of Vice President Biden's aptitude for the top job," Earnest said.

Ooof.
Thanks a bunch.
You betcha.

"You Betcha:" (5.00 / 3) (#60)
by Mr Natural on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 10:23:57 PM EST

"I can see his presidency from my front porch."


Great paraphrase of Tina Fey (none / 0) (#69)
by jbindc on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 09:23:27 AM EST

: Yes... (none / 0) (#86)
by lentinel on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 07:38:09 AM EST

but isn't it weird, or beyond clueless, or draconian, or hostile --- or something or other on the part of il presidente that he would float some sort of endorsement of Biden's simmering ambitions to fk up Hillary?

"Everybody thinks the world" (5.00 / 6) (#70)
by CST on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 09:31:38 AM EST

Of Joe Biden except for the voters, who have shown time and again that they aren't interested.

Joe isn't going anywhere, and Warren is certainly not hitching herself to that train (or, IMO, any train until the nominee is picked).

Biden's reprehensible behavior (4.86 / 7) (#27)
by caseyOR on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 12:17:32 PM EST

during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings is enough to disqualify him in my book. Add in his crime crusades, and he becomes a ridiculous choice. Of course, this year ridiculous candidates are all the rage.

The way Biden treated Anita Hill still infuriates me all these years later. I fail to see how anyone who is not a rank mysogynist can support this man for president.

: Not (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 12:28:19 PM EST

to mention being the anti-Warren regarding consumer protection from the banksters.

: Creds like that should have him running (none / 0) (#52)
by Mr Natural on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 02:35:14 PM EST

- as a Republican.

Question. (4.50 / 2) (#10)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:56:31 AM EST

If Biden were to run should all his emails be released immediately? I mean fair is fair.

: Yep (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:22:37 AM EST

Exactly
Every e mail he had that is relevant to a Congressional inquiry of FOIA.
And all e mails on his private server

I think ppl are completely misreading this article (4.50 / 2) (#14)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:41:03 AM EST

Biden knows hes Plan B:

Those who have spoken directly to Mr. Biden, who spent part of this week with his grandchildren in Delaware, increasingly believe that he is going to take several more weeks to decide whether to pursue a candidacy. They hope the time will provide more clarity about how much political damage Mrs. Clinton has suffered as a result of the email issue, and whether the problems will last. [. . .]
"He's not unrealistic that if she's able to right the ship here, at this point it's tough, really tough, to see a lot of Democrats coming off her," said one former senior Obama administration official who recently discussed the merits of a campaign with Mr. Biden. "On the other hand, the things with the emails and everything else could deteriorate -- who knows? So I think he's figuring he's got another month or so to see what happens, to sort of put feelers out there." [My emphasis]

He's Plan B and seems to know it.

: He's Plan B until he starts talking, (5.00 / 2) (#30)
by Anne on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:01:41 PM EST

until his record on crime, war, and his ownership by the banksters comes under review, not to mention his abysmal showings in prior attempts at the Oval Office. And don't forget the plagiarism, or the rank Anita Hill misogyny, because I can assure you neither the GOP nor the media will ever fail to mention them.
If there was a pity vote option, he'd win in a landslide, but his tragic personal history doesn't make him presidential material.
I don't see Biden energizing Democrats to get out the vote, either.

: And yet some blogs get (none / 0) (#29)
by CoralGables on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 12:49:36 PM EST

sucked into the draft Biden story. (repeatedly)

I think (4.50 / 2) (#15)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:07:30 AM EST

everybody knows that Biden is plan B at best. The problem is the media keeps pushing it as part of their overall narrative that Democrats are somehow desperate for a plan B, inferring that Hillary is in serious trouble.

Biden is a hand-me-down Yugo (none / 0) (#20)
by Mr Natural on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 11:09:47 AM EST

Perhaps (none / 0) (#21)
by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 11:21:54 AM EST

Desperate is too strong a word.
Circumstances surrounding Hillary have changed since her March speech at the UN. Her trust factors have markedly decreased, and The Bern has had quite a uptick.
When you have a 401k, it is advised not to place your whole investment in 1 stock, or 1 sector, but to diversify, in case of unforeseen disasters.
Just saying that a PLan B might be prudent to have.
Perhaps evening the playing field for O'Malley and Webb, have some additional debates, to test them, and Hillary


Do you (none / 0) (#22)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 11:38:13 AM EST

realize that Bob Dole had a trust number of 67% and lost in a landslide?

And there are some theories that Biden jumping in would be more of an attempt to take from Bernie than anything else.


Lol (none / 0) (#23)
by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 11:45:44 AM EST

Do you realize that Bob Dole was a lousy candidate?
Great qualifications and resume, yes, trusted, but little political stump skills.
Running against a incumbent President , with a humming economy. Albeit, low trust numbers.

I really don't think that comparison is relevant in this upcoming election.

A candidate with poor retail political skills, trust numbers declining steadily over the last 3 months, and a big black cloud of a Federal investigation hovering over her campaign. And coming off a 8 year Presidential run for her party.

Yes, I do believe a Plan B would be prudent under these circumstances.


So there (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:02:54 PM EST

you go proving my point. Those numbers you were pointing out don't make a hill of beans of difference and now you're moving the goal posts to include other things.

You can talk about Hillary all you want but the Republicans want to load up all the Hispanics in the country in boxcars. They want to turn women into birthing slaves for rapists. They want to ban gay marriage. They want more failed trickle down voodoo economics. Do you really think that people are going to vote for those stances?


That is why the Republican (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by MKS on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:16:17 PM EST

campaign will be light on specifics and heavy on scandal mongering.


: Also because the Republicans (none / 0) (#34)
by jondee on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:25:52 PM EST

pretty much ran out of creative ideas sometime between the beginning and middle of the last century..

Lol (none / 0) (#32)
by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:12:16 PM EST

Who moved the goal posts?
Trusting a candidate is one part of a voters information in deciding.
Bob Dole had much better trust numbers than Bill CLinton

But the obstacles of beating an incumbent, with a booming economy, no one has ever done that.
Americans will vote for a scoundrel if the economy is booming and they are making money.

Hillary has none of those advantages her husband had, and other obstacles in front of her.
I understand you want a coronation for Hillary, but I think Democrat insiders and donors are beginning to see that a PLan B is advisable.

I just don't understand why you are so adverse to having a insurance policy


It seems (5.00 / 3) (#39)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 04:30:36 PM EST

Republicans were saying the same thing in 1992. He has all these problems, you can't trust him, etc. etc. etc. Fooled you guys didn't they?

I'm not adverse to having an insurance policy but the concern trolling has gone over the top lately from the Republicans around here.

But I guess if I had 17 crazy people running for president then I guess I might spend my time concern trolling too.


Concern Trolling (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 04:57:05 PM EST

Lol
You have a FBI investigation into the e mails, and the server of the candidate.
You have a Federal Judge saying the Sec of Stated did not follow procedures.
The candidates story has changed from March to August,
Polling indicates the candidates trust by the public has been tanking, and is trending worse.
The Bern has had enormous crowds and his polling has dramatically increased.

That is not concern trolling, exploring a PLan B, a insurance policy is the logical , calculated move of a Democrat Party.


: The are (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 05:45:14 PM EST

investigating the security of the server and that is according to the FBI and the FBI said Hillary is not a target. But you keep speculating oh, this and oh, that and this could happen. It's called concern trolling.
What is wrong with the GOP candidates that you have to spend so much time on Hillary? Do tell.
Again, you are talking about that trust issue. Do you trust Scott Walker to turn women into birthing slaves for rapist. Heck, yeah, I trust Scott Walker to do just that. So that's a great thing in your book!

: Uhhhmmm, yeah - "Concern trolling" (4.20 / 5) (#43)
by Yman on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 07:20:12 PM EST

You demonstrated it perfectly.
BTW - It's called the "Democratic Party", although the wingnuts often try to shorten it.

: "Democrat" party (4.00 / 4) (#44)
by MKS on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 07:23:24 PM EST

These guys are so insular they don't know the "tells" they leave on the ground behind them.....

Most Dems Were Crime Warriors (none / 0) (#1)
by Michael Masinter on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 07:38:26 AM EST

I much prefer Secretary Clinton to VP Biden, but neither distinguished themselves on crime legislation. Biden was worse by virtue of his chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee, leading the charge to create a prison state in 1994, but most democrats, from that era until recently, were crime warriors eager to enact tough laws lest they meet the same fate as Mike Dukakis. The 1994 act and AEDPA in 1996 are a stain on every democrat from that era. Bill Clinton at least acknowledged his mistake in signing AEDPA, though he did much more than sign it. The war on crime continued for long after AEDPA; then Senator Obama was no hero either, joining forces with other democrats to add money back to Bush the younger's budget to fund the war on crime.

I'd hope for a proposal to repeal AEDPA; in many ways it is worse than the 1994 act since the latter only imposed minimum mandatory sentences for federal crimes, while AEDPA effectively freed states (who imprison roughly 90% of the prison population) to ignore the constitution, but I shouldn't hold my breath.

Correct (none / 0) (#2)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:33:34 AM EST

over the past couple decades even the perception of being soft on crime. They all certainly gave it lip service but like you said Biden led the charge.

In many ways Martin O'Malley is a very attractive candidate but he wears his tough on crime past like an albatross. Biden gets a pass, from the press at least.

I do hope Webb stays in the race long enough to pound away at this issue during the debates, he has always been on the side of the angels on this one.


Plan B (none / 0) (#17)
by TrevorBolder on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:25:05 AM EST

O'Malley and Webb would be better plan B's than Biden.
They might not beat Bernie in the primary though,

Don't think Bernie could win a general election

Still think that if the Democrats need a PLan B,

They grab a reluctant Warren off the bench


: Yes (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:37:19 AM EST

that is what the wingnut sites are positing. That someone else is going to come in and be the candidate.
Of course this has been a theory every election year. Usually the Gore name comes up every year since 2000. Kerry usually gets thrown in the mix since 2004. In 2008 he was supposed to jump into the primaries and become the "consensus" candidate between Hillary and Obama. It was BS then and it's BS now.

From (none / 0) (#3)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:36:24 AM EST

what I have read there is exactly one person shopping the Biden story and that is Dick Harpoolitan in SC.

: As (none / 0) (#8)
by FlJoe on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:48:43 AM EST

long as the media can build a narrative around it they are buying his entire stock.

Tucker Carlson (none / 0) (#4)
by ragebot on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:42:11 AM EST

Said his fantasy election would be Biden against Trump. No doubt the press would be in heaven with the quotations from those two.

While Jerlyn is a little harsh in her description of some folks in the press in particular and to some extent the press in general that is nothing new.

I still remember LBJ saying he could walk on water across the Potomac River and the headline that evening would say LBJ can't swim.

Time for me to get some popcorn and sit back and watch the show.

: Press wants to be entertained. (none / 0) (#6)
by bison on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:45:34 AM EST

The media is not concerned about the governance of this nation. MSM is concern with ratings and circulation.

Republicans think that Biden is easier to beat. (none / 0) (#5)
by bison on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:43:54 AM EST

: Well, even a stopped clock is right twice a day (5.00 / 2) (#18)
by ruffian on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 10:33:09 AM EST

They are right about that.

Steven Kornacki (none / 0) (#7)
by bison on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:48:31 AM EST

just did a segment on the Biden article. It is now going to be a topic on the weekend talk shows.

: Of course it is (none / 0) (#9)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:53:31 AM EST

i believe him referenced the same news that Jeralyn did.
And I'm sure the bobble head shows will do the same.
Helooooo, Hello, hello, hello, ........

This was horrible (none / 0) (#11)
by bison on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 08:58:57 AM EST

Morning Joe has engaged in a relentless bashing of Hillary Clinton. It has 3 hours seven days a week to put her down, and then talk about her unfavorables. This clip was just inflamatory and mean.

Morning Joe Panel Mocks Hillary For Wearing Orange Jumpsuit While Under Investigation
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/morning-joe-panel-mocks-hillary-for-wearing-orange-jumpsuit-while-under-i nvestigation

This aired the same Morning that Mika went after Hillary's Campaign.
Mika on Clinton Emails: `Why Do They Keep Saying Something That Is Not True?'
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mika-on-clinton-emails-why-do-they-keep-saying-something-that-is-not-true /

: Yep (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by CaptHowdy on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:04:51 AM EST

still
You need to learn the linking rules. You comment will be deleted.
If you need help we will try. Success may vary on different devices. Myself, I'm something of an authority on this subject.

: Morning Joe (none / 0) (#13)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 09:22:56 AM EST

has found their niche and it's appealing to freepers.

The only national news shows (none / 0) (#24)
by fishcamp on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 11:52:16 AM EST

I can watch now are CNN with Carol Costello and HLN with Robin Mead. They don't re-interpret other people's news with their own slant. It's totally impossible to watch the Miami morning news with all the overnight hit and runs, nightclub shootouts, cars in canals and storefronts, and some other totally impossible and horrible event. The morning weather is usually only good because the weather girls dress up like movie stars. Lately I seem to look for news online. Talk Left news keeps me ahead of the Republican gym bullies.

The New York Times? (none / 0) (#25)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 11:54:26 AM EST

Heh.

Both the NYT and Mother (none / 0) (#26)
by oculus on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 12:06:03 PM EST

Jones have published articles re Biden's role in criminal sentencing.

Does anyone really think (none / 0) (#36)
by KeysDan on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 01:58:11 PM EST

that a Joe Biden candidacy would tame the Republican barracudas? Emails would just shift to ridicule and more of Biden's plagiarism. Neil Kinnoock, the British politician will become the new household name. And, of course, Biden's friendly touching of women will morph into a pawing of women. Not to mention the mining of every vote over a 35 year senate career. And, then there is his association with President Obama, including his affirmation of ACA as a "big f...... deal."

Yes Biden should retire and (5.00 / 5) (#37)
by fishcamp on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 02:08:57 PM EST

Write his memoirs as some one suggested. Maybe he and I could help each other since everybody knows fishermen lie...too.


Precisely (none / 0) (#40)
by Ga6thDem on Sat Aug 22, 2015 at 04:33:54 PM EST

nothing is going to tame them except to whip them at the ballot box.


: And, If Bernie Sanders (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by KeysDan on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 01:03:54 PM EST

was the nominee of the Democratic party, the barracudas will have an oceanic feeding frenzy. We can expect to replace attacks on how Mrs. Clinton emails or Biden's Neil Kinnock with Marx, Lenin and Stalin.
The barracudas are easy on Senator Sanders at this time, because he is only a concern for Mrs. Clinton, which is all to the good, from their perspective. And, Biden is a good foil.
Democratic supporters, be that Biden, Clinton or Sanders, need to champion their candidate on the merits. Fear of vulnerability or attack as a basis of choice is unviable.
Even if a Mother Teresa-like candidate was he nominee, before long, attempts would be made to bring her reputation to taters--what about all those lepers and those other contagious people, she will kill us all. And, she is a woman, and there is that wherever to assail.

you folks know . . . (none / 0) (#47)
by zaitztheunconvicted on Sun Aug 23, 2015 at 11:48:17 AM EST

you folks happen to know that hrc did not cause classified material to be stored or removed to an unauthorized location . . . perhaps some of you have read the 60,000 emails and you know which ones contain or do not contain classified information . . .

and therefore, since you know this, you know that the investigation will turn out very well for her . . .

OR you know that IF she did break the law, the fbi will NOT make a recommendation that she be prosecuted . . . and in virtue of the absence of such recommendation . . . or in virtue of the absence of a prosecution, even if there is a recommendation to prosecute . . .

and therefore, since the us gov will take no action, that everything is fine for her candidacy . . . and her being given to possess nuclear launch codes and various other items . . .

Maybe you folks know a lot more than I do . . .

documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes ... intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this . . .

numbers 32:23 . . .

holy hell (none / 0) (#57)
by CaptHowdy on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 06:09:28 PM EST

if you want a perfect round up of the idiotic breathless hyperventilating on this subject, as usual, watch Tweety.

Even I can't take it today. I'm out.

Time to catch up with Show Me A Hero.

Most recent (none / 0) (#59)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 24, 2015 at 09:23:33 PM EST

school of thought is that Biden is running to take out Bernie. So he's going to run to Hillary's left and say hey, I'm to her left but I'm electable.


Interesting idea (none / 0) (#78)
by sj on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 04:23:33 PM EST

His numbers in any of his prior runs haven't shown any particular "electability". Actually, I wonder if Biden's numbers will ever reach Bernie's...


I seriously (none / 0) (#79)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 04:34:37 PM EST

doubt it. Who does he appeal to? Obama hangers on is the only ones I can imagine. From what I have seen the Bernie supporters don't much care for him and neither do the Hillary supporters.


Nobody left leaning who (5.00 / 2) (#80)
by sj on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 04:43:18 PM EST

has been paying attention for the last 20 years is likely to support him with any real depth. He first entered my awareness during the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings. And not in a good way. Then there are the crime warrior creds. The thing is, he can say things that make me want to stand up and cheer.

Then he keeps talking.


Honestly (5.00 / 1) (#81)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 04:59:25 PM EST

him running makes no sense. I mean if you want somebody right leaning there is Jim Webb who I would pick over Biden if that's what I wanted. There are two governors. He's a one man gaffe machine. And with a woman running I wouldn't put it past him to blow up his campaign making some crank remark about Hillary.


: Yep (5.00 / 1) (#82)
by sj on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 05:00:50 PM EST

To everything you just said.

More like everything old (none / 0) (#75)
by Dadler on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 02:01:04 PM EST

Same difference, I suppose.

I seems (none / 0) (#77)
by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 25, 2015 at 02:51:35 PM EST

nobody wants Biden. Bernie supporters don't want him nor do Hillary supporters.

Biden has actually moved ahead of Sanders (none / 0) (#87)
by CoralGables on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 11:47:21 AM EST

in the gambling world as to who will be the next President, which leaves him a distant 4th behind 1)Clinton 2)Bush 3)Trump.

He will likely hold 4th until he declares he isn't running.


: My wording is slightly misleading (none / 0) (#88)
by CoralGables on Wed Aug 26, 2015 at 11:49:00 AM EST

Not the next President, but the winner of the next Presidential election.

Sleepy Eyes Todd (none / 0) (#90)
by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 08:20:05 AM EST

is very impressed that Bidens approval numbers are higher than Hillary's.

Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that HE'S NOT A CANDIDATE???

That's (none / 0) (#91)
by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 27, 2015 at 08:32:36 AM EST

exactly it. Once he declares they are going to turn around and say why on earth is he running? He's polling at 10% etc. etc.


Yup - its the quirky fun uncle (none / 0) (#92)
by ruffian on Tue Sep 01, 2015 at 09:02:47 PM EST

against the aunt that organizes Christmas and makes you sit up straight and answer her questions about your schoolwork. You like the uncle, but who do you want in charge?


: My step mother, a Dem. caucus-er in IA, (none / 0) (#93)
by oculus on Tue Sep 01, 2015 at 09:28:37 PM EST

says she'll support Hillary unless Biden decides to run.