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DC Circuit Rules Against Rep. McDermott On Gingrich Ethics Agreement Breaking Tape

This story is both political and legal. Today the DC Circuit ruled that Jim McDermott was not protected by the First Amendment when he released to reporters an illegal tape recording he received from private citizens of Newt Gingrich violating his ethics settlement agreement.

Let's be clear what happened here. Rep. John Boehner (R-OH), sued McDermott because McDermott gave to reporters a tape of Newt Gingrich violating his agreement with the House Ethics Committee.

The en banc DC Circuit agreed the tape was newsworthy. But 4 of the 9 judges ruled that the First Amendment did not protect McDermott's actions, which were alleged a iolation of a federal law. (McDermott challenge to the federal law was an "as applied" challenge, where he argued that applying that law to these particular circumstances violated the First Amendment. 1 concurring judge opined that while the First Amendment would have normally shielded McDermott's actions, because McDermott voluntarily agreed to the rules of the House Ethics Committee, which prohibited such disclosure, he also voluntarily relinquished his First Amendment rights. The interesting opinion here is the dissent. I will discuss them on the flip.

The question, as the dissents saw it was "if information is lawfully obtained, even if obtained from a source who obtaned it illegally, can disclosure of such information be barred under the First Amendment."

The dissents believied the Supreme Court's decision in Bartnitski v. Vopper controlled the question. Bartnitski held:

These cases raise an important question concerning what degree of protection, if any, the First Amendment provides to speech that discloses the contents of an illegally intercepted communication. That question is both novel and narrow. Despite the fact that federal law has prohibited such disclosures since 1934,1 this is the first time that we have confronted such an issue.

The suit at hand involves the repeated intentional disclosure of an illegally intercepted cellular telephone conversation about a public issue. The persons who made the disclosures did not participate in the interception, but they did know–or at least had reason to know–that the interception was unlawful. Accordingly, these cases present a conflict between interests of the highest order–on the one hand, the interest in the full and free dissemination of information concerning public issues, and, on the other hand, the interest in individual privacy and, more specifically, in fostering private speech.

. . . The constitutional question before us concerns the validity of the statutes as applied to the specific facts of this case. Because of the procedural posture of the case, it is appropriate to make certain important assumptions about those facts. We accept petitioners’ submission that the interception was intentional, and therefore unlawful, and that, at a minimum, respondents “had reason to know” that it was unlawful. Accordingly, the disclosure of the contents of the intercepted conversation by Yocum to school board members and to representatives of the media, as well as the subsequent disclosures by the media defendants to the public, violated the federal and state statutes. Under the provisions of the federal statute, as well as its Pennsylvania analog, petitioners are thus entitled to recover damages from each of the respondents. The only question is whether the application of these statutes in such circumstances violates the First Amendment.8

. . . As a general matter, “state action to punish the publication of truthful information seldom can satisfy constitutional standards.” Smith v. Daily Mail Publishing Co., 443 U.S. 97, 102 (1979). More specifically, this Court has repeatedly held that “if a newspaper lawfully obtains truthful information about a matter of public significance then state officials may not constitutionally punish publication of the information, absent a need . . . of the highest order.” Id., at 103; see also Florida Star v. B. J. F., 491 U.S. 524 (1989); Landmark Communications, Inc. v. Virginia, 435 U.S. 829 (1978).

. . . However, New York Times v. United States raised, but did not resolve the question “whether, in cases where information has been acquired unlawfully by a newspaper or by a source, government may ever punish not only the unlawful acquisition, but the ensuing publication as well.”12 Florida Star, 491 U.S., at 535, n. 8. of that still-open question. Simply put, the issue here is this: “Where the punished publisher of information has obtained the information in question in a manner lawful in itself but from a source who has obtained it unlawfully, may the government punish the ensuing publication of that information based on the defect in a chain?” Boehner, 191 F.3d, at 484—485 (Sentelle, J., dissenting).

. . . The normal method of deterring unlawful conduct is to impose an appropriate punishment on the person who engages in it. If the sanctions that presently attach to a violation of §2511(1)(a) do not provide sufficient deterrence, perhaps those sanctions should be made more severe. But it would be quite remarkable to hold that speech by a law-abiding possessor of information can be suppressed in order to deter conduct by a non-law-abiding third party. Although there are some rare occasions in which a law suppressing one party’s speech may be justified by an interest in deterring criminal conduct by another, see, e.g., New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747 (1982),13 this is not such a case.

. . . The enforcement of that provision in this case, however, implicates the core purposes of the First Amendment because it imposes sanctions on the publication of truthful information of public concern. . . . In this case, privacy concerns give way when balanced against the interest in publishing matters of public importance. As Warren and Brandeis stated in their classic law review article: “The right of privacy does not prohibit any publication of matter which is of public or general interest.” The Right to Privacy, 4 Harv. L. Rev. 193, 214 (1890). One of the costs associated with participation in public affairs is an attendant loss of privacy.

. . . We think it clear that parallel reasoning requires the conclusion that a stranger’s illegal conduct does not suffice to remove the First Amendment shield from speech about a matter of public concern.22 . . .

It is clear from this excerpt then that McDermott'sconduct must be the basis for the finding of liability. In my opinion, this is what makes this opinion rather ridiculous. McDermott did violate the House Ethics Rules. But that violation does not remove his protection from the First Amendment. To wit, McDermott can be punished for violating the House Ethics Rules, not for violating the Florida and federal law. Strangrly enough, only the concurrence argues this. The 4 in the plurality simply misstate the holding in Bartnitski as Judge Sentelle in dissent makes crystal clear. The plurality opinion is clearly at odds with Bartnitski and can not stand in my opinion.

What we are left with is the argument that because McDermott violated House Ethics Rules, he could not avail himself of his First Amendment rights as stated in Bartnitski. The dissent says that he can and that the punishment McDermott should face are those of the House Ethics Rules and no other. And since the House had created no private right of action, then it was ludicrous to hold McDermott liable.

The dissent wins this matter easily. Luckily, I think the decision has no Media implication. The concurrence, which stresses the House Ethics Rules, obviously is the link that does not connect it to the Media.

Still and all, not a good day for the DC Circuit.

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    I kicked $80 into Jim McDs defense fund (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by seabos84 on Tue May 01, 2007 at 07:56:02 PM EST
    last summer here in Seattle.

    It was a Caberet thing from some of the local colorful  ... ;)

    it was fun.

    to hell with gingrich and the rest of those slime.

    sorry legal eagles,

    but

    'the law' is a joke when dealing with those people - they've written it so that their crap is legal, and the right thing is undoable. ugh.

    http://www.washblog.com/story/2006/8/17/211838/829

    Say hey, counselors-at-large. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by walt on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:51:12 AM EST
    Is a member of congress privileged from judicial interference (or interpretation) of the rules of that chamber?  Article I, section 5, US Constitution:
    Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

    House ethics "stuff" is not relevant to a court decision, is it?

    My recollection is that the courts avoid even references to the rules within the congressional chambers.  It may be interesting to see how the supremes view this from the strict construction vantage point.

    The dissent (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 02, 2007 at 08:37:05 AM EST
    cites a strng of cases for that proposition.

    Parent
    Thanks BTD, then another. (none / 0) (#22)
    by walt on Wed May 02, 2007 at 10:50:49 PM EST
    Can a person do, or say, or write, or contract in anyway an action or intention that removes an enumerated Constitutional right?

    It seems that even prisoners & mental patients & non-citizens have all of the rights, especially the first amendment rights.

    Parent

    Boehner's votes on domestic spying (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by shawnfassett on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:20:09 PM EST
    How did he vote?

    Why did McDermott go for 1st Amendment argument? Seems like there is another argument to go for that would annoy the justices less.

    Think this is going to be reversed? n/t (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue May 01, 2007 at 03:37:31 PM EST


    who knows? (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 01, 2007 at 03:44:17 PM EST
    I mean how often is a case like this gonna happen?

    Parent
    I'm not familiar with story (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by magster on Tue May 01, 2007 at 04:04:34 PM EST
    Can you send me to a place with some background or give me a quick history?  Thanks

    Parent
    background from McDermott (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by N in Seattle on Tue May 01, 2007 at 04:18:20 PM EST
    The discussion may be biased, but it's good-guy bias.  :-)

    From his campaign site:  Get the Facts
    From his Legal Expense Trust site:  Learn More: Boehner v. McDermott

    Parent

    On one hand, when the police come across the property in possession of a thief, and that property includes evidence implicating another person in a crime, although the evidence was obtained by the thief unlawfully, the police can and do use it as evidence in court proceedings against the criminal and so do the prosecutors.

    Yet, now, the DC circuit court is permitting an agreement breaker to win damages against McDermott in similar circumstances.

    It's The End of The Road for McDermott's Case (none / 0) (#6)
    by Bob Leibowitz on Tue May 01, 2007 at 05:38:50 PM EST
    You said:
    What we are left with is the argument that because McDermott violated House Ethics Rules, he could not avail himself of his First Amendment rights as stated in Bartnitski.

    The court said that because McDermott had voluntarily agreed to accept the constraints of the House Ethics Committee rule, he could not later hide behind a 1st Amendment defense.

    To see what the trial court said about McDermott's actions at the time, see here:  [McDermott (D-WA), Guilty (Again)!

    One judge said it (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 01, 2007 at 05:51:08 PM EST
    Did you not read my post?

    Apparently you need to read it again.


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    Actually I Did Read It, Carefully (none / 0) (#9)
    by Bob Leibowitz on Tue May 01, 2007 at 06:03:15 PM EST
    You (at least seem to) argue causation in your summary:
    "What we are left with is the argument that because McDermott violated House Ethics Rules, he could not avail himself of his First Amendment rights as stated in Bartnitski. The dissent says that he can and that the punishment McDermott should face are those of the House Ethics Rules and no other. And since the House had created no private right of action, then it was ludicrous to hold McDermott liable."

    If that is your argument, it is wrong. If you or I break the same Rule, no problem, no harm, no foul. If the ranking member, who has agreed to abide by them breaks them, it is his agreement that exposes him.

    If that is not your argument, then I apologize for misunderstanding your conclusion.


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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 01, 2007 at 06:41:25 PM EST
    That's not the way fundamental Constitutional rights work.

    But frankly, I am bored by this line of discussion. The plurality said there was no First Amendment right period.

    5 said there was one.

    1 said there was voluntary relinquishment.

    IF the SCOTUS deigns to hear the case, I know one thing, the opinion will make more sense than the plurality or the concurrence. Whatever they decide.

    Parent

    Link Corrected (none / 0) (#8)
    by Bob Leibowitz on Tue May 01, 2007 at 05:52:31 PM EST
    The liability (none / 0) (#13)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed May 02, 2007 at 08:16:53 AM EST
      Is derived from the statute. The court ruled the argument that the argument of his First Amendment privilege is negated by his receiving the tape in the coursse of his official duties and the comcomitant agreement to abide by the House rules. Liability is NOT imposed for violating House rules.

    18 U.S.C. § 2511. Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited

     (1) Except as otherwise specifically provided in this chapter any person who--
      (a) intentionally intercepts, endeavors to intercept, or procures any other person to intercept or endeavor to intercept, any wire, oral, or electronic communication;

      (b) intentionally uses, endeavors to use, or procures any other person to use or endeavor to use any electronic, mechanical, or other device to intercept any oral communication when--

       (i) such device is affixed to, or otherwise transmits a signal through, a   wire, cable, or other like connection used in wire communication;  or

       (ii) such device transmits communications by radio, or interferes with the transmission of such communication;  or

       (iii) such person knows, or has reason to know, that such device or any component thereof has been sent through the mail or transported in interstate or foreign commerce;  or

       (iv) such use or endeavor to use (A) takes place on the premises of any business or other commercial establishment the operations of which affect interstate or foreign commerce;  or (B) obtains or is for the purpose of obtaining information relating to the operations of any business or other commercial establishment the operations of which affect interstate or foreign commerce;  or

       (v) such person acts in the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any territory or possession of the United States;

      (c) intentionally discloses, or endeavors to disclose, to any other person the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this subsection;

      (d) intentionally uses, or endeavors to use, the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the  information was obtained through the interception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this subsection;  or

      (e) (i) intentionally discloses, or endeavors to disclose, to any other person the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, intercepted by means authorized by sections 2511(2)(a)(ii), 2511(2)(b) to (c), 2511(2)(e), 2516, and 2518 of this chapter, (ii) knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of such a communication in connection with a criminal investigation, (iii) having obtained or received the information in connection with a criminal investigation, and (iv) with intent to improperly obstruct, impede, or interfere with a duly authorized criminal investigation,

    shall be punished as provided in subsection (4) or shall be subject to suit as provided in subsection (5).

     (2)(a)(i) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] for an operator of a switchboard, or an officer, employee, or agent of a provider of wire or electronic communication service, whose facilities are used in the transmission of a wire or electronic communication, to intercept, disclose, or use that communication in the normal course of his employment while engaged in any activity which is
    a necessary incident to the rendition of his service or to the protection of the rights or property of the provider of that service, except that a provider of wire communication service to the public shall not utilize service observing or random monitoring except for mechanical or service quality control checks.

     (ii) NNotwithstanding any other law, providers of wire or electronic communication service, their officers, employees, and agents, landlords, custodians, or other persons, are authorized to provide information, facilities, or technical assistance to persons authorized by law to intercept wire, oral, or electronic communications or to conduct electronic surveillance, as defined in section 101 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 [50 USCS § 1801] if such provider, its officers, employees, or agents, landlord, custodian, or other specified person, has been provided with--

      (A) a court order directing such assistance signed by the authorizing judge, or

      (B) a certification in writing by a person specified in section 2518(7) of this title or the Attorney General of the United States that no warrant or court order is required by law, that all statutory requirements have been met, and that the specified assistance is required, setting forth the period of time during which the provision of the information, facilities, or technical assistance is authorized and specifying the information, facilities, or technical assistance required.  No provider of wire or electronic communication service, officer, employee, or agent thereof, or landlord, custodian, or other specified person shall disclose the existence of any interception or surveillance or the device used to accomplish the interception or surveillance with respect to which the person has been furnished a court order or certification under this chapter, except as may otherwise be required by legal process and then only after prior notification to the Attorney General or to the principal prosecuting attorney of a State or any political subdivision of a State, as may be appropriate.  Any such disclosure, shall render such person liable for the civil damages provided for in section 2520.  No cause of action shall lie in any court against any provider of wire or electronic communication service, its officers, employees, or agents, landlord, custodian, or other specified person for providing information, facilities, or assistance in accordance with the terms of a court order or certification under this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.].

     (b) IIt shall not be unlawful under this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] for an officer, employee, or agent of the Federal Communications Commission, in the normal course of his employment and in discharge of the monitoring responsibilities exercised by the Commission in the enforcement of chapter 5 of title 47 [47 USCS §§ 151 et seq.] of the United States Code, to intercept a wire or electronic communication, or oral communication transmitted by radio, or to disclose or use the information thereby obtained.

     (c) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] for a person acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication, where such person is a party to the communication or one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception.

     (d) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State.

     (e) NNotwithstanding any other provision of this title or section 705 or 706 of the Communications Act of 1934 [47 USCS § 605 or 606], it shall not be unlawful for an officer, employee, or agent of the United States in the normal course of his official duty to conduct electronic surveillance, as defined in section 101 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 [50 USCS § 1801], as authorized by that Act [50 USCS §§ 1801 et seq.].

     (f) Nothing contained in this chapter or chapter 121 or 206 of this title [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq., or 2701 et seq., or 3121 et seq.], or section 705 of the Communications Act of 1934 [47 USCS § 605], shall be deemed to affect the acquisition by the United States Government of foreign intelligence information from international or foreign communications, or foreign intelligence activities conducted in accordance with
    otherwise applicable Federal law involving a foreign electronic communications system, utilizing a means other than electronic surveillance as defined in section 101 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 [50 USCS § 1801], and procedures in this chapter or chapter 121 or 206 of this title [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq., or 2701 et seq., or 3121 et seq.] and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 [50 USCS §§
    1801 et seq.] shall be the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance, as defined in section 101 of such Act [50 USCS § 1801], and the interception of domestic wire, oral, and electronic communications may be conducted.

     (g) IIt shall not be unlawful under this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] or chapter 121 of this title [18 USCS §§ 2701 et seq.] for any person--

      (i) to intercept or access an electronic communication made through an electronic communication system that is configured so that such electronic communication is readily accessible to the general public;

      (ii) to intercept any radio communication which is transmitted--

       (I) by any station for the use of the general public, or that relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in distress;

       (II) by any governmental, law enforcement, civil defense, private land mobile, or public safety communications system, including police and fire, readily accessible to the general public;

       (III) by a station operating on an authorized frequency within the bands allocated to the amateur, citizens band, or general mobile radio services; or

       (IV) by any marine or aeronautical communications system;

      (iii) to engage in any conduct which--

       (I) is prohibited by section 633 of the Communications Act of 1934;  or

       (II) is excepted from the application of section 705(a) of the Communications Act of 1934 [47 USCS § 605(a)] by section 705(b) of that Act [47 USCS § 605(b)];

      (iv) to intercept any wire or electronic communication the transmission of which is causing harmful interference to any lawfully operating station or consumer electronic equipment, to the extent necessary to identify the source of such interference;  or

      (v) for other users of the same frequency to intercept any radio communication made through a system that utilizes frequencies monitored by individuals engaged in the provision or the use of such system, if such communication is not scrambled or encrypted.

     (h) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.]--

      (i) to use a pen register or a trap and trace device (as those terms are defined for the purposes of chapter 206 (relating to pen registers and trap and trace devices) of this title) [18 USCS §§ 3121 et seq.]; or

      (ii) for a provider of electronic communication service to record the fact that a wire or electronic communication was initiated or completed in order to protect such provider, another provider furnishing service toward the completion of the wire or electronic communication, or a user of that service, from fraudulent, unlawful or abusive use of such service.

       (i) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] for a person acting under color of law to intercept the wire or electronic communications of a computer trespasser transmitted to, through, or from the protected computer, if--

    (I) the owner or operator of the protected computer authorizes the interception of the computer trespasser's communications on the protected computer;

      (II) the person acting under color of law is lawfully engaged in an investigation;

      (III) the person acting under color of law has reasonable grounds to believe that the contents of the computer trespasser's communications will be relevant to the investigation; and

      (IV) such interception does not acquire communications other than those transmitted to or from the computer trespasser.

     (3)(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection, a person or entity providing an electronic communication service to the public shall not intentionally divulge the contents of any communication (other than one to such person or entity, or an agent thereof) while in transmission on that service to any person or entity other than an addressee or intended recipient of such communication or an agent of such addressee or intended recipient.

     (b) A person or entity providing electronic communication service to the public may divulge the contents of any such communication--

      (i) as otherwise authorized in section 2511(2)(a) or 2517 of this title;

      (ii) with the lawful consent of the originator or any addressee or intended recipient of such communication;

      (iii) to a person employed or authorized, or whose facilities are used, to forward such communication to its destination;  or

      (iv) which were inadvertently obtained by the service provider and which appear to pertain to the commission of a crime, if such divulgence is made to  a law enforcement agency.

     (4)(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection or in subsection (5), whoever violates subsection (1) of this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

     (b) If the offense is a first offense under paragraph (a) of this subsection and is not for a tortious or illegal purpose or for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private commercial gain, and the wire or electronic communication with respect to which the offense under paragraph (a) is a radio communication that is not scrambled, encrypted, or transmitted using modulation techniques the essential parameters of which have been withheld from the public with the intention of preserving the privacy of such communication, then--

      (i) if the communication is not the radio portion of a cellular telephone communication, a cordless telephone communication that is transmitted between the cordless telephone handset and the base unit, a public land mobile radio service communication or a paging service communication, and the conduct is not that described in subsection (5), the offender shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;  and

      (ii) if the communication is the radio portion of a cellular telephone communication, a cordless telephone communication that is transmitted between  the cordless telephone handset and the base unit, a public land mobile radio service communication or a paging service communication, the offender shall be fined under this title.

     (c) Conduct otherwise an offense under this subsection that consists of or relates to the interception of a satellite transmission that is not encrypted or scrambled and that is transmitted--

      (i) to a broadcasting station for purposes of retransmission to the general public;  or

      (ii) as an audio subcarrier intended for redistribution to facilities open to the public, but not including data transmissions or telephone calls,
    is not an offense under this subsection unless the conduct is for the purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private financial gain.

     (5)(a)(i) If the communication is--

      (A) a private satellite video communication that is not scrambled or encrypted and the conduct in violation of this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] is the private viewing of that communication and is not for a tortious or illegal purpose or for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private commercial gain; or

      (B) a radio communication that is transmitted on frequencies allocated under subpart D of part 74 of the rules of the Federal Communications Commission that is not scrambled or encrypted and the conduct in violation of this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] is not for a tortious or illegal purpose or for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private commercial gain, then the person who engages in such conduct shall be subject to suit by the Federal Government in a court of competent jurisdiction.

       (ii) In an action under this subsection--

      (A) if the violation of this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] is a first offense for the person under paragraph (a) of subsection (4) and such person has not been found liable in a civil action under section 2520 of this title, the Federal Government shall be entitled to appropriate injunctive relief; and

      (B) if the violation of this chapter [18 USCS §§ 2510 et seq.] is a second or subsequent offense under paragraph (a) of subsection (4) or such person has been found liable in any prior civil action under section 2520, the person shall be subject to a mandatory $ 500 civil fine.

     (b) The court may use any means within its authority to enforce an injunction issued under paragraph (ii)(A), and shall impose a civil fine of not less than $500 for each violation of such an injunction.

     


    Don;t do that again (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 02, 2007 at 08:36:28 AM EST
    Don't post the statue in full. A link will suffice.

    As for your erstwhile point, you have utterly misunderstood the opinions.

    The concurrence is the only opinion that says "The court ruled the argument that the argument of his First Amendment privilege is negated by his receiving the tape in the coursse of his official duties and the comcomitant agreement to abide by the House rules."

    The case was an "as applied" First Amendment challenge to enforcement of the statute. The plurality said there is no First Amendment right, a remarkable position.

    The Concurrence said there was, but that McDermott voluntarily relinquished that right. (An argument never seen before in the annals of jurisprudence, he cites no case for such a proposition)

    The Dissent says there is a First Amendment right as described in  the SCOTUS case cited.

    The case turns SOLELY on Mcdermott being a member of the House Ethics Committee. To wit, if he were a mere Congressman, not a member of the Committee, he would not be liable.

    The liability DE FACTO arises from the alleged violation of House Ethics Committee Rule 9.

    This is the point here. Try to think things through next time.

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    No... YOU (none / 0) (#16)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed May 02, 2007 at 08:55:05 AM EST
    apparently don't understand the case. I didn't realize that until this post and was merely responding to the poster above me.

      Boehner's lawsuit was premised on liability for violating the STATUTE. One of NcDermott's defenses was that his disclosure which would OTHERWISE BE IN VIOLATION OF THE STATUTE was not because the STATUTE as applied to disclosure of information of public importance was privileged under the 1st Amendment and THE STATUTE could not be applied to expose him to civil liability for that reason.

      THE MAJORITY rejected that argument and held THE STATUTE could be so applied and that McDermott's claim iof 1st Amendment privilege failed because he was, due  to his position, required to abide by House rules.

     What is odd to me is that THE MAJORITY essentially deferred to the House in determining the parameters of the 1st Amendment and decided that since the House chose (in the court's view)  not to recognize a 1st Amendment privilege with regard to justifying a rules violation it would not with regard to the STATUTE.

      I swear you are one of a kind-- thank God.

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    Oy vey (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 02, 2007 at 07:10:11 PM EST
    "THE MAJORITY rejected that argument and held THE STATUTE could be so applied and that McDermott's claim iof 1st Amendment privilege failed because he was, due  to his position, required to abide by House rules."

    If that is the case, why in blazes was there a concurrence?

    You clearly did not understand the opinions.

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    For those who care.. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed May 02, 2007 at 12:13:50 PM EST
     about nore than whether the "good guys" or "bad guys" won, here is the broader significance of this case.

     Because the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals (which obviously has jurisdiction over a huge proportion of litigation involving directly and indirectly the Federal government) has adopted this reasoning, one might expect if it is upheld that the reasoning will be applied in contexts other than a representive disclosing information obtained from illegal electronic surveillance.

      If a congressman does not have a 1st amendment privilege abrogating civil liability if he  discloses information of importance to the public due to an internal legislative rule then it is more likely that an employee of an executive agency would similarly find his 1st Amendment claim defeated if his agency had promulgated rules forbidding disclosure.

      To me it is troubling  that D.C. COA seems to be allowing constitutional standards  to be defined by internal rulemaking and interpretation of those rules by the body which made them.

      Suppose I work for DOE and DOE promulgates a broad rule forbidding me from public disclosure without express authorization of matters related to the agency's mission. Then suppose I legally  received from a 3rd Party who felt I was the appropriate person  to receive it because of my job title, information that 3rd Party had unlawfully obtained through electronic eavesdropping  relating to corruption in enforcement of environmental regulations. Suppose that because the information implicated my bosses I decided that relying on official channels would lead to a cover-up. So, I provide the information to a reporter for the WSJ.

      Then, my bosses and perhaps the people from the private sector involved in the corruption sue me for damages, claiming I violated the statute. I then claimed it would be unconstitutional under the 1st Amendment to allow for me to be exposed to civil liability.  would the D.C. Court not be likely if it follwed Boehner to deny my defense because my agency rules have decided the 1st Amendment is not applicable to agency action against me and therefore, under the boehner rationale also not applicable in a civil action against me?

      To me it makes no sense to apply rules that were never intended to create or have relevance to private causes of action interpret the reach of STATUTES that do create them.

    well the statute (none / 0) (#19)
    by Deconstructionist on Wed May 02, 2007 at 05:55:28 PM EST
     prohibits disclosing information that one knows or should know was obtained through illegal electronic surveillance.

      Once you get past the factual defenses (I didn't disclose it; If I did disclose it, it wasn't illegally obtained by the people who gave it to me; or, if it was, I didn't know and under the circumstances it is not reasonable to say I should have known) what other defense is there?

     

    The First Amendment (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 02, 2007 at 07:07:32 PM EST
    regarding the application of the law in that particular case.

    Have you read the opinions?

    Parent

    If YOU read ... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu May 03, 2007 at 07:25:54 AM EST
     read the opinions,  you will see that Griffith's concurrence is to clarify why he voted with the majority to affirm but joined PART I of the dissent. It's because HE AGREES WITH THE MAJORITY on the issue that McDermott can't avail himself of the 1st Amendment because of Rule 9 of the Ethics committee-- but otherwise he thinks Bartnicki would have compelled finding he could have availed himself of the 1st.  Griffith did not join the dissent which concludes:

    To the extent the court holds that Representative
    McDermott forfeited his First Amendment protection either by conducting himself inconsistently with the "spirit" of Rule 9 or
    by violating the terms of House Rule 23
    --which states that "[a]Member . . . shall adhere to the spirit and the letter of the Rules of the House and to the rules of duly constituted committees
    thereof"--its holding suffers from a separate defect. Abrogating Representative McDermott's First Amendment protections because he violated the "spirit" of a rule contravenes the ellestablished principle that vague restrictions on speech are impermissible because of their chilling effect, see Reno v. ACLU, 521 U.S. 844, 871-72 (1997), and because of "the need
    to eliminate the impermissible risk of discriminatory enforcement," Gentile v. State Bar of Nevada, 501 U.S. 1030, 1051 (1991). Plainly, subjecting a Member of Congress to liability for violating the "spirit" of a rule burdens political
    speech in the vaguest of ways, leaving the Member to "guess at [the] contours" of the prohibition. Id. at 1048. Nothing in Aguilar countenances such a result
    *
      As you can see the DISSENY clearly recognizes the majority found McDermott could not claim 1st amendment protection and disagress with that holding. The concurrence sisagrees with the dissent on that (and agrees  WITH THE MAJORITY) but agree with the dissent as to part I.

     

    i should say (none / 0) (#24)
    by Deconstructionist on Thu May 03, 2007 at 07:37:58 AM EST
      griffith did not join PARt II of the dissent which is the portion that rejects the argument that the house rules prevent mcDermott from claiming the 1st amendment privilege.

     Griffith did join PART I and that is also a majority of the Court. Griffith's concurrence is designed to make sure Boehner is read narrowly and that A MAJORITy only exists on the narrow issue that his duty to follow the rules prevents him from claiming the 1st amendment privilege. Had Griffith not agreed with that the majority would have gone the other way and the case would have been reversed. You are simply WRONG to say Griffith is the only one to employ the rules rationale.

    Parent

    BTD, (none / 0) (#25)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri May 04, 2007 at 07:27:15 AM EST
      where are you now?  you accused me of not understanding the opinion, but when i challenged that and said it is YOU who doesn't understand you have disappeared.

     Either man up and admit YOU WERE WRONG or try to defend your position.

      This opinio is on appeasl from the remand after the first ruling was vacated. It begins by detailing the facts disclosed during discovery in the district court. It then explains that the district court found mcd violates  18 u.s.C. 2511(1)(c) (that's called a STATUTE and its the alleged violation of THAT STATUTE that is the basis for liability) and considered i9ts finding that Mcd had unlawfully obtained the recording the crucial issue.

      However, the majority opinion does NOT rest on that rationale and assumes arguendo that McD lawfully obtained the tape for thepurposes of the opinion (aklthough the footnote states severl judges on athe AC did believed otherwise).

      The majority opinion then clearly states it is addressing whether McD had a 1st
    Amendment right to disclose the information that would make the STATUTE unconstitutional as applied.

      It answers that question with: NO. Giving its reason as the duty imposed upon McD not to disclose by the legislative rules. You are simply 100% wrong in thinking onkly the concurrense employed that rationale.  i will help you understand.

      First, the majority opinion states Bartnicki did not lay down a broad rule that anyone who lawfully obtains information of public importance has a right to disclose that information and it offer multiple examples of statutory provisins prohibiting the disclosure of information that was lawfully obtained. Obviously, these examples are offered to buttres the majority's holding here that rule requiring confidentiality can prevent a "discloser" from claiming a 1st amendment right to disclose.

      the majority then cites Aguilarand states it stands for the proposition that those who accept a position of public trust invoving a duty not to disclose information they have lawfully acquired while performing their duties have no 1st amendment right to disclose that information.

      If all this was not clear enough consider the following direct quotes:

    The question thus becomes whether, in the words of Aguilar, Representative McDermott's position on the Ethics Committee imposed a "special" duty on him not to disclose this tape in these circumstances. Bartnicki has little to say about that issue.

    "There is no question that the rules themselves [the internal House rules set forth in the opinion] are reasonable and raise no First Amendment concerns."

    "If the First Amendment does not protect Representative McDermott from House disciplinary proceedings, it is hard to see why it should protect him from liability in this civil suit.
    Either he had a First Amendment right to disclose the tape to the media or he did not. If he had the right, neither the House nor the courts could impose sanctions on him for exercising it. If he
    did not have the right, he has no shield from civil liability or
    from discipline imposed by the House."

    {then in language so plain even you should grasp it)

    "In that event, his civil liability would rest not on his breach of some ethical duty, but
    on his violation of a federal statute for which he had no First Amendment defense
    ."

      Do you get it now?

    i'm still waiting... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri May 04, 2007 at 11:49:25 AM EST
     for your explanation.

    tick, tick, tick.... (none / 0) (#27)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri May 04, 2007 at 01:50:26 PM EST
    .......

    Try Holding Your Breath (none / 0) (#28)
    by squeaky on Fri May 04, 2007 at 02:04:25 PM EST
    It worked for me. Yes it was a long, long time ago, but it did work...

    Parent
    tick, tick, tick.... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri May 04, 2007 at 04:10:47 PM EST
    .....

    Well, it's Friday night... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Deconstructionist on Fri May 04, 2007 at 04:44:24 PM EST
     .. and I'm about to go have a beer and some dinner. I'll check back tomorrow for BTD's response-- but,  no I won't hold my breath because I think the odds of BTD continuing to  be too cowardly to repond would make that dangerous for me.

    good thing (none / 0) (#31)
    by Deconstructionist on Sat May 05, 2007 at 10:59:01 AM EST
      I didn't hold my breath isn't it? I am a realist and expecting BTD to show his face here may be fruitless. He talks a lot but understands little and when called on it he runs and hides.

    What's the matter, BTD? (none / 0) (#32)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun May 06, 2007 at 10:55:19 AM EST
      Are you, for the first time, at a loss for words?

     Here's some help. Try saying: "I went off half cocked as usual and made a fool of my self again."

    bump (none / 0) (#33)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun May 06, 2007 at 12:03:21 PM EST


    anyone else (none / 0) (#34)
    by Deconstructionist on Sun May 06, 2007 at 04:01:59 PM EST
    want to try and defend BTD's position here. he can't do it for himself.

    At the risk (none / 0) (#35)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon May 07, 2007 at 07:11:44 AM EST
     of being censored again, I'm still waiting.

    still (none / 0) (#36)
    by Deconstructionist on Mon May 07, 2007 at 04:25:45 PM EST
    ..... waiting

    Well? (none / 0) (#37)
    by Deconstructionist on Tue May 08, 2007 at 02:49:15 PM EST
    I said:

     "Liability is derived from the statute. The court ruled the argument that the argument of his First Amendment privilege is negated by his receiving the tape in the coursse of his official duties and the comcomitant agreement to abide by the House rules. Liability is NOT imposed for violating House rules."

      BTD claimed:

       "As for your erstwhile point, you have utterly misunderstood the opinions. The concurrence is the only opinion that says "The court ruled the argument that the argument of his First Amendment privilege is negated by his receiving the tape in the coursse of his official duties and the comcomitant agreement to abide by the House rules."

      In showing how completely BTD was wrong, among other things, I referenced this language in the majority opinion (not the concurrence):

    "his civil liability would rest not on his breach of some ethical duty, but on his violation of a federal statute for which he had no First Amendment defense."

      BTD has since strangely vanished from this thread despite having been here daily if not hourly since then.