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Reactions to Obama's Press Conference on Rev. Wright

Following up on the thread below about Barack Obama's press conference today on Rev. Wright, Chris Matthews says Obama needs to turn the conversation back to the economy and win both North Carolina and Indiana. If he doesn't and Hillary does well, the race will go on until August. (I disagree with that and believe it will be decided by the superdelegates in June.)

CNN's Bill Schneider says the same. This is an attempt to win Indiana and N.C. and get Hillary out of the race.

Candy Crowley said it was hard to see on tv but he was uncharacteristically very emotional.

Shep Smith on Fox says the same.

CNN will replay the entire press conference, including his statement and the q & a at 3:00 pm ET.

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    More Pandering By Obama....CYA Speech (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:04:11 PM EST
    Is he going to have another conference tomorrow too to fend of Wright's comments.  Obama has never shown any emotion even when he is talking about the poor and their plight.  His campaign is in trouble and now he can muster up some emotion?
    Makes me ill.  

    Will he make another speech? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by myiq2xu on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:12:25 PM EST
    Will it be the bestest speech on race EVAH! just like the last one?

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    Checkers Speech? (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by jerry on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:39:27 PM EST
    This is a very strange statement (5.00 / 2) (#127)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:46:20 PM EST
    and it may not be an exact quote (I didn't know the speech was going on -- see what happens when you have a long lunch?):

    What we saw yesterday was that when you overly focus on the plight of the oppressed, it doesn't bring people together.

    What does it mean to "overly focus on the plight of the oppressed"? Is that like when the Bushies accuse us of being "overly" concerned with civil liberties?

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    Huh? (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:50:38 PM EST
    Well, forgive me if I think that Bush and his party of thugs are overly focused on the plight of the oppressors!

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    I heard part of that as well--and I was confused (none / 0) (#200)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:02:05 PM EST
    Was Obama saying Wright is trapped in the 60's, like the Clintons?

    I need to see a transcript.

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    Unfortunately There Are Videos Of Obama (5.00 / 3) (#145)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:49:48 PM EST
    contradicting most of what he said today.

    "I got to give a special shout-out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me. He's a friend and a great leader, not just in Chicago but all throughout the country. So please, everybody, give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright Jr." [Obama remarks, Hampton University, June 2007; video]

    "Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely..." [Sen. Obama speech, 3/18/08]

    No Quarter


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    Yup, total mess (none / 0) (#208)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:04:08 PM EST
    wipeout

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    No he did show more emotion than (none / 0) (#23)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:15:10 PM EST
    I've ever seen him show.  There was some real burning anger behind his words today.

    He should have gotten angry and made the break after the Hillary, "rich white people" sermon/political speech Wright made in January, but I guess it took the extra twist of the knife in Obama's back for Obama to see what poison Wright really is.

    I am glad for the Democratic Party that Obama finally let go of Wright.

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    Honestly. .. (5.00 / 14) (#35)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:18:51 PM EST
    although I feel for Obama on this issue his reaction is really turning me off.  He only seems to have reached the breaking point when Wright showed a lack of respect to him, personally.  Where was his concern when Wright was showing a lack of respect to  the Clintons or, indeed, to much of the rest of America?

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    good point! (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:19:52 PM EST
    agree, that's a big issue (n/t) (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:21:30 PM EST
    I agree. (5.00 / 6) (#46)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:22:10 PM EST
    I think Obama is a classic narcissist. Nothing affects him until it affects HIM.

    Just my impression, of course.

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    Yes, that is the same impression I get. (5.00 / 6) (#80)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:32:17 PM EST
    He didn't get upset until the controversy affected HIS campaign. And he talked about respect for HIS campaign, etc. It's all about Obama, all the time. Voters are starting to notice. And they don't like it.

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    You have posted virtually the same comment (none / 0) (#115)
    by independent voter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:41:41 PM EST
    in each thread at least once.
    Chatter much?

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    Obama Disinvited Wright To His Press Conf. (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:02:05 PM EST
    to declare his run for the presidency (which he said wasn't going to happen to Tim Russert).  He knew then Wright could be a loose cannon and did nothing about it.  He didn't say a word when Wright dissed the Clintons or made his other abhorrent statements, until it looked like his campaign was in trouble, then he made his first cya speech.  He made a speech yesterday regarding Wright's comments, tepid though it was.  Then he finally read the papers and heard the news and really knew he was in the sh!t and made ANOTHER cya speech today.  No, obama cannot say he had no idea what Wright was about, as that would be an outright lie.

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    Wright is at least a raw persona. (none / 0) (#76)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:30:53 PM EST
    Authentic if you will.

    Funny this is all happening around passover and near easter.

    Reminds me of the passion and Jesus entry into Jerusalem.

    Here's the kicker--Obama's the Pharisee and Wright is taking on the role of the persecuted Prophet/Messiah.

    Wright is in his element here. So is Obama.

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    So you envision The Rev. Wright (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:34:55 PM EST
    riding on the donkey?

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    don't give him any ideas (none / 0) (#123)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:45:14 PM EST
    just sing Hosannah!

    Obama just damned his priest.
    He is on another level now. Has he sold his soul to gain the world?

    This is like an Irish Catholic publically excommunicating himself from from his parish.

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    I think it depends on how many African (none / 0) (#131)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:47:04 PM EST
    American Christians identify with The Rev. Wright's brand of theology.  

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    I agree with you (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by stefystef on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:49:23 PM EST
    Personally, I'm not buying this "outrage" from Obama.

    I think Rev. Wright and Obama discussed his press conference prior to Obama making his "throw uncle under the bus" speech.

    IMO, the damage is done.  The speeches Rev. Wright gave his weekend can be seen in their entirety.  They are not taken "out of context".  Wright's arrogance is only rivaled by Obama's.  

    I understand another black leader reprimanded Obama:
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292008/news/regionalnews/sharpton_raps_obama_108577.htm

    No wonder he's pissed off.  I think Obama thought the black people around him knew their place, so he could win over white voters.  Well, IMO, it is not working.  

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    I've been thinking the exact same thing. (none / 0) (#113)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:41:16 PM EST
    It is sad, but I have been thinking the same thing.

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    It's the Circle of Disrespect (none / 0) (#151)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:51:38 PM EST
    (cue Elton John...)

    Wright disrespects the public.
    Obama disrespects Wright.
    Wright disrespects Obama.
    Will Wright disrespect Obama, yet again?
    And at some point, will the public disrespect Obama?

    Although I didn't see the press conference (I trust someone told Obama not to look at the ground like he did yesterday), it does sound from the descriptions that he was speaking in large part from personal anger at Wright.  Only NOW does he feel the relationship can never be the same?

    And don't I recall that until the first Wright flap, Wright was on Obama's counsel of spiritual advisors, or pastors, or something like that?

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    agreed... (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:20:44 PM EST
    but I'm pretty sure that Rev. Wright has not let go of Obama.

    And the new pastor may well step into the fray.

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    Wright has a book scheduled to be (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:43:45 PM EST
    released just prior to the general election.

    He isn't done.

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    Dear God (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:45:26 PM EST
    I forgot about that.  Would he do something like that?  Well he's done this much so why wouldn't he?  Your reminder just chilled me!

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    This is Key (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:46:33 PM EST
    This will erupt at about the same time as Rezko.  
    It's certainly not over.

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    Oh Jeez (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:53:31 PM EST
    You mean this isn't the book tour?  I thought the book was coming out now.  A book coming out in the fall? Happy Birthday, John McShame....

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    The book tour... (none / 0) (#185)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:58:49 PM EST
    hasn't even begun to tour.

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    Won't harm Hillary.... (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:00:02 PM EST
    Wright's book release near the GE is only a problem for Obama and he's not going to be involved in the GE :)

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    He is a Jeremiah afterall. (none / 0) (#86)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:33:32 PM EST
    "Strike off the hand that is raised against my people" and all that stuff.

    I await Jeremiah's invocation of the Works of the Merkavah

    What a lark.

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    Until it touched him (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:57:10 PM EST
    Obama could have cared less about addressing Rev Wright. Had this not shown it would be a big negative on his campaign, he would still be ignoring it. Obama showed a strong likeness to Rev Wright when his NC speech post-PA debate included all those nasty hand gestures toward Hillary, but he has never been asked to denounce that childish display, and it was HIS OWN.


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    Not so sure he did let go (none / 0) (#206)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:03:40 PM EST
    Remember in Wright's interview with Bill Moyer that Wright emphasized on several occasions that Obama says what he has to as a politician and he does not feel that Obama has denounced him at all.

    I'm pretty sure that's one part of Wright's belief system that is realistic.

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    3 pm, Jeralyn... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:04:18 PM EST
    It's now 3 eastern.

    fixed, thanks (none / 0) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:06:45 PM EST
    yes - TL is on CST (none / 0) (#8)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:07:16 PM EST
    Mountain Time (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:13:53 PM EST
    2 hours behind ET.

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    Your timestamp is 1 hour behind EDT. (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Joan in VA on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:34:00 PM EST
    Correct? It's confusing.

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    So when is the presser re-running? (none / 0) (#172)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:56:24 PM EST
    Has it already happened, or is it happening at 3pm Central or Mountain?

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    It was 3pm EST (none / 0) (#192)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:00:11 PM EST
    So it's happened. But no doubt if you wait long enough, they'll replay it again...

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    media narrative - Obama is a victim (sniff) (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:05:35 PM EST


    That's not really what I'm hearing. (5.00 / 5) (#77)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:31:05 PM EST
    Not yet anyway.  It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.  They may end up going after him for not understanding how dammaging Wright's comments were until they became detrimental to him personally.

    Wright was going around challenging/insulting a whole lot of people for a while there.  It wasn't until the challenges/insults were directed at Obama, Obama didn't seem to have the capacity to understand how Wright might have been perceived to be hurtful and destructive to other people.

    That is admittely kind of a harsh way of looking at it on my part, but I was as offended by that "rich white people" rhetoric that Wright was pushing as I would have been by nasty characterizations of any other group of people based solely on race, ethnicity or gender.  I also wasn't at all impressed by Wright's description of Clinton which exhibited zero compassion for the struggles that women have faced in this country.

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    I would love to ask Rev. Wright if (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:42:04 PM EST
     
    that "rich white people" rhetoric
    means his neighbors in the gated community, mostly white, where his congregation is building him a huge mansion for his retirement. Bet his future neighbors are really looking forward to having him in the neighborhood, what with being "rich white people" and all.

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    Yeah, according to Wright (5.00 / 3) (#182)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:58:16 PM EST
    Women have never had to work twice as hard to be considered as good as a white male.

    My jaw dropped at that one.

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    That's the part (5.00 / 1) (#207)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:03:57 PM EST
    I've been complaining about to my friends.

    He has no freaking clue what women go through in America. Aren't some of his constituents women? I would think that would bother them too.

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    My butt!!! (none / 0) (#203)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:02:57 PM EST
    I appologize (5.00 / 11) (#6)
    by beyondalldoubt on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:07:09 PM EST
    On a personal note, I read over my comments here and they were harsh and I appologize to everybody here. Thats not what a democrat should be doing. I will change my attitude in the future.

    I wouldn't be supporting Barack Obama if I didn't believe in him with all of my heart. I think he can get us out of Iraq the fastest and start a new era of foreign policy that the US has never seen before.

    I will say that if Hillary wins the nomination, I will vote for her.

    On topic, I hope Obama and the media can stop acting as if Jeremiah Wright is running for office and focus on issues.

    thank you and (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:08:50 PM EST
    your suspension for today is lifted.

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    apology accepted :) (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:09:27 PM EST
    Good for you. (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:21:49 PM EST
    There's plenty of harshness on all sides of the current Democratic divide.

    Frankly, I think we'd all be better off if we followed the calm and principled example set by me.

    (Ducks).

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    Don'f forget some blogger (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:23:53 PM EST
    termed BTD himself usually analytical and calm.  

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    Oculus (none / 0) (#78)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:31:32 PM EST
    where have you been? Welocme back.

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    Not back yet. Flying home Thurs. (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:36:21 PM EST
    a.m. after a quite delightful 3 weeks in Rome.  Aren't I lucky_

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    Yes, You Are (none / 0) (#130)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:46:39 PM EST
    I'm very jealous.  I'd give up this primary crap for Rome any day.

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    The Italians re,elected Berlesconi, who (none / 0) (#143)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:49:33 PM EST
    has twice failed to deliver on his campaign promises.  This weekend was the run off for Mayor of Rome, and a right of center candidate won, which was predicted.  Promising to crack down on crime (those gypsies again) and spruce up the infra structure.  

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    Now, now. . . (none / 0) (#179)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:57:35 PM EST
    The Italians re,elected Berlesconi

    No one's blaming you.  Much.

    Although it is an odd coincidence. . .

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    Can't tell you how many times people (none / 0) (#204)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:03:05 PM EST
    have tried to hand me campaign literature but, trust me, I didn't vote.

    P.S.  Italian law requires internet users at the public internet access places to provide identification, i.e., driver license or passport, which is copied.  

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    Nicely Done (none / 0) (#139)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:48:40 PM EST
    Thank you.  

    We could all benefit from taking a moment before posting.  I know I could.  Emotions are running very high right now, but we must all keep our eye on the real prize - November.

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    Todd Beeton's Reaction (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:07:13 PM EST
    Which I agree with:

    There are a couple problems that this press conference aren't likely to assuage. First is Obama's statement that he guesses he didn't know Wright as well as he thought he did. "The person that I saw yesterday was not the person that I had come to know over 20 years." That's a big problem for someone running on judgment. Secondly, yesterday Obama pointed to Wright's off-message press tour as proof that the his campaign was not managing or coordinating with Wright, I suppose to distance himself from Wright prove to people that he is indeed Obama's former pastor. What is does for me is call into question his fitness to run a general.


    Look at the media reaction to the Philly speech (none / 0) (#14)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:10:56 PM EST
    Obama has a remarkable capacity to get the media to see him in the best light. If he can pull that off again, this presser will work.

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    And then (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:12:46 PM EST
    he lost Pennsylvania.

    The media doesn't matter. The voters are making up their own minds.

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    I think he's trying to save himself (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:14:18 PM EST
    in Indiana and maybe even North Carolina. You don't give this kind of press conference unless your numbers go south.

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    I'm sure you're right... (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:20:45 PM EST
    I just don't see it working with the voters. Time will tell, I suppose.

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    His campaign grossly miscalculated the (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by inclusiveheart on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:21:10 PM EST
    dangers Wright poses to the campaign.

    I imagine some within the campaign understood the potential here, but Obama had to decide to make the break which was clearly difficult for him.

    One can view his decisions on this front in both a positive and negative light.  It is a mixed bag.  Clearly he felt the need to be loyal to Wright and that loyalty may well have prevented him from understanding how important it was for him to make this break.

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    not just his campaign (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:23:13 PM EST
    half the democratic party.
    it has been a mystery to me for months now.

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    Indeed. (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:24:39 PM EST
    It's as if they've all been asleep for the past three presidential elections.

    How could they not have seen this coming?


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    Dukakis says Obama will (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:27:11 PM EST
    win the nomination and the GE but needs to change some stuff about his campaign.  Funny, eh?

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    When did Dukasis say this? (none / 0) (#90)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:34:01 PM EST
    I read something awhile ago, but much has happened since then.

    Is this a recent article/comment?

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    I read it recently in the Int. Herald (none / 0) (#103)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:37:20 PM EST
    Trib., which is a couple of days behind on the news and does not publish on Sunday.

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    maybe take a nice ride in a tank (none / 0) (#102)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:36:40 PM EST
    with a helmet that looks it belongs to his big brother.


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    Um, you do know (none / 0) (#164)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:55:00 PM EST
    that Dukakis is a veteran, yes?  Served two years in Korea after the war.  Yes, he looked funny, but not because he was some chickenhawk.


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    It's more about how Obama handles Wright IMO (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Ellie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:39:34 PM EST
    Not to be a hair-splitter, but in these train wrecks that draw attention to them from multi-media rubber-neckers, there's never the correct answer.

    That's the thing. It will be about which wrong answer you picked and what you did to pick yourself out of the dirt.

    The dynamic moves on the performance adage that there are no small -- or crummy -- roles, only small (or crummy) actors.

    It's a church thing? TeamObama should have found a way for their guy to forgive Wright -- though not say that exact word -- and ask forgiveness himself from voters -- and say the F-word -- for not getting the conversation back to the issues that matter &c.

    And keep stressing that if it comes up again at all.

    It would have been the classy thing to do, too, and made the media bobbleheads come off like petty jackwads for harping on it.

    (I'm not being a cynic here: I also happen to believe that honestly owning a screw-up is best.)

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    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:22:35 PM EST
    they are seeing scary internal numbers for this to happen

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    Should he have done this even if they weren't? (none / 0) (#85)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:33:21 PM EST
    Let's think about this because it would be interesting.  If he was surging in the polls instead, would Obama and his judgement have led him to keep trying to ignore this problematic relationship and just punt it forward until later when he has to explain it under the full bombardment of the Republican freak show?

    The biggest problem with Jeremiah Wright (and some of the other Obama relationships) is that they are unexplainable.  Speech after speech after speech and maybe nothing will change.  Just like he spent money on ad after ad after ad in Pennsylvania and not much changed there.


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    probably (none / 0) (#105)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:37:38 PM EST
    a known unknown (none / 0) (#173)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:56:32 PM EST
    with Obama, it's very often "probably"

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    A Lot Depends On How The Religious AA Communities (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:01:45 PM EST
    reacts to this. Could lose him a little support especially in churches based on same theology as Rev. Wright. Many AA's take their religion very seriously and might not like this at all. I guess only time will tell.

    As someone else mentioned, Rev. Wright got a standing ovation at the NAACP event.

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    how do you know? (none / 0) (#45)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:22:06 PM EST
    "You don't give this kind of press conference unless your numbers go south."

    Where did you learn this?  People can give press conferences for all sorts of reasons.  Unless you know things that are going on behind the scenes, you don't really know.

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    Ok, you present another plausible reason (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:36:18 PM EST
    Looking ahead to the general (none / 0) (#158)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:53:26 PM EST
    He may have done the same thing even if his poll numbers were holding steady right now.  So my point was not to disagree with the possibility, but to remind you that trying to sound certain about things you cannot be certain will erode your credibility.

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    Excuse me, but I used the phrase (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:55:16 PM EST
    "I think." Clearly I was stating my opinion.

    Your opinion on my credibility I have almost no interest in. That I can say with some certainty.

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    well I answered your question n/t (none / 0) (#213)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:06:24 PM EST
    for the record, I think it was the polls (none / 0) (#166)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:55:16 PM EST
    LOL :)

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    He's lost (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:27:16 PM EST
    IN. Wright was already a huge problem for Obama even before this latest outburst. It's NC that seems to be the problem imo.

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    I don't think it's going to work as well this time (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by myiq2xu on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:14:46 PM EST
    He's gone to the well too many times.

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    and the repetition of (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by kempis on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:27:34 PM EST
    "gee, I had no idea" is getting old. If repeated ideas begin to accrue meaning, then the impression that his repeated denials creates is that Obama is oblivious and unobservant. How could he not know who his preacher of 20 years was? How could he not know about Rezko? Ayers? Is he a babe in the woods?

    This is not good, and Wright isn't going to go away, at least not without getting in the last word.

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    "Gee, I had no idea" (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by nemo52 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:29:18 PM EST
    plays right into the not-tested, not experienced, not ready for prime time theme.

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    And if he does, (none / 0) (#75)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:30:16 PM EST
    then you know it was not his own idea..

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    the media (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by DJ on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:15:52 PM EST
    will turn on him in the ge if just to keep the 24/7 news operation going.  He's already shown he doesn't handle controversy well.  

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    It "works" in what sense? (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:29:17 PM EST
    Media adulation does not automatically translate into votes.  Obama has to win this himself at some point.  Despite the media boost, he just can't close the deal.  If you want someone who is beloved by the media, let's just nominate Jack Nicholson.

    Others have pointed out that Obama went on to lose Pennsylvania.  And he outspent Clinton 3-1.  Facts are a better basis for analysis than speculation and conventional wisdom.

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    How long before Wright ... (none / 0) (#68)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:28:10 PM EST
    ...claims that Obama is a Pharisee?

    he very nearly said it with the politician/preacher comment.

    Wright wants the role of Mesach now!

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    Oy! (none / 0) (#98)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:35:50 PM EST
    Too much with the Christianity.

    This is what happens when you mix too much religion in with politics.

    Just ask the Republicans, who, unless we have screwed things up too much, are looking at permanent minority status because they let the rightwing religious folks control the Party.

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    Yesw we were supposed to be the (none / 0) (#195)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:01:28 PM EST
    SECULARISTS.

    Why did Obama have to go into Religion in any way at all?

    When I heard about McLurkin I knew his problem was his Fake Religiousity and the power of the Reverends in the AA community.

    Meddlesome Priests!

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    Talk is cheap (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:08:08 PM EST
    and Barack Obama's credibility is shot on this issue. What is this, the 25th statement on Wright?

    Look, he sat there for 20 years. He knew who the guy was. Nothing he does and says can change that fact.

    Obama is not going to campaign on the issues. America wants that now - we're finally sick of slogans - but he doesn't have the absolute mastery of detail that HRC has. He cannot compete with her on that front.

    He is toast.

    I think it may too late. (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:08:21 PM EST
    Even all this back and forth denouncing and rejecting between Obama and Wright KEEPS Wright in the news constantly.  Not to mention that he refused to cut ties with him back when he became a problem and as soon as polls showed it was affecting him...he rejects him completely.

    Yep. (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:15:26 PM EST
    Notice how Hillary was able to push the Bosnia thing to the side quite effectively?  It was because she gave close to a flat-out admission she lied and then apologized and that was that. (for the time being of course, but it was some critical time that allowed her to regain her footing)

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    Well and now they have a new story. (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:23:18 PM EST
    I am seeing it now: "Did Obama do this because his poll numbers went down." Is it true or not? That is what they are all currently discussing. Wright needs to disappear and Obama needs to never talk about him again. Continually with this back and forth is just hurting Obama more and more.  Pundit on Fox currently says that Obama is "pandering" to win votes in IN.

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    Wright is keeping Wright in the news (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:16:48 PM EST
    & I doubt that will change anytime soon.

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    I fear you are right (none / 0) (#217)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:07:04 PM EST
    I really fear you are right

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    CNN loves to replay Obama moments, huh? (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:13:14 PM EST
    I'll be waiting for their replay of the endorsement announcement by NC Governor Easley.

    Oh yea, I'll be waiting.

    Replay was at same time Hillary was on... (5.00 / 1) (#224)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:10:48 PM EST
    live feed from her Indiana editorial board meeting.  I watched that instead because getting a replay there would probably be much more difficult.

    As usual, Hillary was gracious, smart, on top of her understanding of every issue brought up (none of which were off-topic and petty), and she did herself so proud.  She's going to be one of the best presidents ever.


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    Pls let Schneid play Counsel'r Troi in the remake (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Ellie on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:14:42 PM EST
    ... he was born to do it!

    CNN's Bill Schneider says the same. This is an attempt to win Indiana and N.C. and get Hillary out of the race

    Ya think?

    CNN will replay it all again and again? (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Jim J on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:14:47 PM EST
    Pshaw, you don't say! Will wonders never cease! Never saw that coming....

    But what do Roland and Soledad think? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:17:21 PM EST
    and what outfit will they be wearing for this occasion?

    CNN, come on and give your viewers what they want.  Most trusted name in news...

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    Do they have a different dashiki or sarong (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Jim J on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:18:48 PM EST
    or whatever those things were for every day of the week?

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    Wright's Jeremiad (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by felizarte on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:15:19 PM EST
    is enough to make a grown man cry.  I could understand what Barack must feel emotionally.  To a lesser degree, I can imagine what the Clintons felt when Richardson came out for Barack Obama.  In both cases, there is a feeling of betrayal.

    At this point, Obama would be (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:17:53 PM EST
    fully justified in calling Wright a Judas, selling himself for media spotlight.

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    Yeah, that'll help. . . (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:24:02 PM EST
    him with the Jewish vote!

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    Doesn't Obama already have some (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:31:55 PM EST
    problems with the Jewish voters?  

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    I'm not sure they believed it (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:34:58 PM EST
    when he said no one had ever done more for Israel than he had.

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    Sadly, yes. (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:47:46 PM EST
    And for all the wrong reasons.

    While I'm sure Jewish voters are well represented in among his younger, educated demographic I've heard some disturbing statements from my elderly in-laws in Philadelphia.  I think it's compounded of his Islamic sounding name, his race, and Wright (this all predates the most recent contretemps).

    These are all people on the right side of various civil rights issues, at least in theory.  I don't know whether the special issues concerning Obama are too much for them or whether they simply wouldn't be able to pull the lever for any black man (a sad thought, but these are not young people we're talking about).

    Never safe to argue from anecdote, but that's my experience for whatever it's worth.

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    I thought any such problems would (none / 0) (#153)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:51:52 PM EST
    stem from Obama's earlier advocacy and fundraising on behalf of Palestinian causes, not from Obama's race.  

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    Let's not forget (none / 0) (#160)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:53:53 PM EST
    that Reverend Wright supports Louis Farrakhan.

    That's enough to make people wonder about Obama's possible anti-semitic tendencies.

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    Church Bulletin Supporting Hamas Also n/t (none / 0) (#223)
    by MO Blue on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:10:03 PM EST
    Yes, because we all know (none / 0) (#231)
    by independent voter on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:16:52 PM EST
    if you are associated with someone in any way, your tendencies become suspect based on their loyalties and prejudices.

    I do not even want to be judged based on what my parents think and say.

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    Doesn't Carville have an (5.00 / 1) (#205)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:03:32 PM EST
    exclusive license to use the term "Judas" during this campaign?

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    Jeremiah... (none / 0) (#114)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:41:36 PM EST
    ...in his own terms is playing Jesus to Obama's Ciaphas.

    You can't be a political leader and maintain holiness.That's partly why Carville was wrong.

    Richardson was a Benedict Arnold.  You have to kill Rabbis and Priests to be a Judas.

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    I did hear Carville say if it had been near (none / 0) (#125)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:45:47 PM EST
    the 4th of July he would have used B. Arnold, but since it was Easter he used Judas.  

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    BO threw Uncle Wright under the bus first (none / 0) (#133)
    by Prabhata on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:47:28 PM EST
    Uncle Wright was BO's spiritual leader.  C'mon, this is a 20 year relationship that nurtured BO's political life.  Uncle Wright had the church members he could rally to get BO in IL politics.  Obama's book, "Audacity to Hope" is from Uncle Wright 1990 sermon, and Uncle Wright correctly said that BO is a politician that will say and do anything to win. Alright, he didn't say that exactly, but almost.

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    What about Wright's feelings (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by miriam on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:33:40 PM EST
    of betrayal?  All this angst for Obama is a bit mystifying.  He chose his pastor and "spiritual advisor" and his "moral compass."  Now when Wright is an impediment to his voracious ambition, he tosses him off.  What a standup guy!  

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    Blue collar workers have been watching (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by athyrio on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:15:36 PM EST
    closely I would bet, and they arent too easily BS'ed....They have a built in distrust of most politicians, particularly new ones that are not proven....They tend to be more "middle of the road" rather than extreme liberal....They won't buy this mess at all IMO, they will laugh and pull the lever for Hillary....The reason I keep harping on this, is I consider myself a part of that group....they will no doubt vote their economic issues....

    Catholics will be doubly freaked! (none / 0) (#157)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:53:05 PM EST
    A mad Protestant denomination and he betrays his Priest when the press call for Wright's head?

    The guy has no depth.

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    will media darling status continue (5.00 / 4) (#31)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:17:38 PM EST
    is the real test. I actually think it will. I think Obama has said what he needed to say. Of course it's all politics. And of course it doesn't make sense because of course Obama knew all about this for the last 20 years. The talking point today is this is a new Wright that we didn't know. Yea, right. But the question is, will it work.

    I think it will work with the media. They're so easy. Snicker. But I don't think it will work for americans. I think Clinton will win Indiana, and I think Obama will win NC, but by a narrower margin, probably around 10.

    So now we wait to see if anything else happens. Does Wright hit back. Do some of the video's that show Obama in the audience in some of those sermons get shown. Does Wright really hit back with proof of Obama being there and agreeing. Time will tell.

    Wasn't that the point of The Speech? (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:18:31 PM EST
    we've heard this before (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:20:17 PM EST
    Rev Wright issue is over now.  Until it's not, again.

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    it not over (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:25:02 PM EST
    and its legs just got brand new artificial knees and hips.
    he made sure this would be the lede story for another day. (at least)
    you dont do that unless you know you are in big doo doo.


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    The Republicans (none / 0) (#138)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:48:27 PM EST
    will make sure this is not over, if Obama gets the nomination.

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    I thought this issue would have been over (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Chimster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:26:59 PM EST
    by now. I never would have guessed that Rev. Wright would have gone on a publicity tour to keep his comments in the spotlight. I'd like to send a shout to Rev Wright. Keep up the publicity. It's working.

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    Not Sure If This Fits Into This Thread (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by KevinMc on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:23:20 PM EST
    I just spoke to my sister who lives in Charlotte, NC.  She had just got back home from her Women's Book Club and they watched Obama's press conference.  Today they had decided to talk about the upcoming election so it was fitting that Obama had the press conference today.  Anyway, they are all rather wealthy and extremely well educated women. (My sister has one masters and two BA's)  Out of the sixteen women 8 are former registered Republicans who have switched party affiliation.  After the discussion they held an impromptu straw poll and the results were:

    4-McCain
    5-Obama
    7-Clinton

    Interesting note: 3 of the 4 AA women in the group are voting for Clinton.

    I'm not sure how that plays out concerning the overall NC population.  I found it rather interesting though.

    3 things to look for (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Chimster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:24:00 PM EST
    1. How will Wright react to Obama's criticism?
    2. How will AA voters feel if Obama comes off as dissing the man that many AA's respect?
    3. How will the Sharpton issue in New York play into this dividing of AA's?


    What is The Rev. Al up to now? (none / 0) (#109)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:39:44 PM EST
    Hi Oculus I am so envious of your trip (none / 0) (#135)
    by athyrio on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:48:17 PM EST
    have a great time...to answer your question about
    Rev. Al, it was reported that he and Obama got into a shouting match on the phone about a recent controversial judicial decision in NYC....The black support might be splitting a bit more I think...
    Have a safe trip home....

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    I think it might have to do (none / 0) (#141)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:49:14 PM EST
    with strikes in NY. But I've also heard whispers that he's threatening riots in Denver.

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    From the NY Post: (none / 0) (#149)
    by Chimster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:51:23 PM EST
    Barack Obama made a call for nonviolence in the aftermath of the Sean Bell verdict - infuriating the Rev. Al Sharpton, who accused the presidential candidate of trying to "grandstand in front of white people," sources told The Post.

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    Oh yes, (none / 0) (#162)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:54:51 PM EST
    because only white people believe in non-violence.

    What a tool Al Sharpton is. Christ on a cracker.

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    I'm sure The Rev. Al had plenty to say (none / 0) (#180)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:57:53 PM EST
    about the Sean Bell decision well before Obama spoke up.  

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    I guess he was busy (none / 0) (#194)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:01:05 PM EST
    inciting people to riot, then Obama came along and took the spotlight away.

    Bad, naughty Obama!

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    This could bring Barack and Hillary together (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:25:39 PM EST
    to bond over being unfairly blamed for the stupid utterings of their associates.

    C'mon kids, have a shot and a beer together and ride that unity pony.

    LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:33:36 PM EST
    You bet huh? (5.00 / 4) (#61)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:26:30 PM EST
    Yeah, I bet that Obama was happy when the media was ripping into Hillary for misstatements about Bosnia. Please. No matter how hard it's tried, this can absolutely not be laid at Hillary's feet. She has done nothing but denounce this type of behavior. She denounced the GOP ads that attacked Obama based on this.  Trying to blame Hillary is not only massively incorrect, at this point? It simply looks pathetic.

    Oh, how quickly you forget. (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:29:54 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton had the audacity to respond to a question posed to her about Obama's relationship with The Rev. Wright.  She sd. that if the pastor of her church made such comments, she would no longer attend that church.  The press stated she was beating up on Obama by answering the question.

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    So answering a direct question (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:35:27 PM EST
    about it -- which I think she actually did quite honestly-- about a "legitimate issue", as per Obama himself, makes her guilty of driving the narrative? Other than that ONE instance where she answered ONE question, she has never brought it up nor stirred this pot AT ALL.  

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    I totally agree, it is just that (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:40:40 PM EST
    the media made her into the stirrer up of the pot.

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    Bring your snark meter in for adjustment, STAT! (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by tree on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:50:03 PM EST
    This whole thing scares people (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:26:37 PM EST
    I believe that this whole entire Wright against America scares people that a Obama Presidency might be 4 years of the civil rights causes. Many things need to be addressed but if we don't fix the top ones, we will never be able to get to the social issues. This started out a black person running for President. Everything blurred. Now, to the people, it is like a radical AA person, not that I think BHO is, running for President because his mentor is a radical AA person. Because of Wright, now they see the color and the anger.  

    I'm afraid so (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:29:31 PM EST
    No one wants 4 years of this.

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    And maybe I live in denial (none / 0) (#140)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:48:48 PM EST
    But I think Wright isn't just talking about the racial divide, he's fueling it.  I cynically assume he figures he can make more money being divisive than he can being "MLKish".

    I'm all for people TALKING about the racial divide in a constructive manner.  Of course it still exists, but dialog and openness is what we need to solve it.

    Hiding it as we've done for decades or FUELING it as Wright does, is NOT what we need.

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    I am having a hard time reconciling this press (5.00 / 5) (#69)
    by athyrio on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:29:08 PM EST
    conference today with this.....

    Obama describes Wright as `the guy who counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me. He's a friend and a great leader.' "I got to give a special shout-out to my pastor. The guy who puts up with me, counsels me, listens to my wife complain about me. He's a friend and a great leader, not just in Chicago but all throughout the country. So please, everybody, give an extraordinary welcome to my pastor, Dr. Jeremiah Wright Jr." [Obama remarks, Hampton University, June 2007

    Could someone please tell me how you could be this close in 2007 and now disavow them....I don't get it...What is that old expression about a good friend....not the person that bails you out, but the person willing to sit beside you behind bars...I probably screwed up that quote but it was something like that....

    explanation (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by hlr on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:38:13 PM EST
    most of the Black votes have been cast.

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    My Obama-supporting coworker explained it (none / 0) (#198)
    by cmugirl on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:01:54 PM EST
    I asked him this very question and he said that in many instances, say for example, on the floor of the  Senate, a Senator may address another (even if he/she despises them) as "my esteemed colleague" or the "Senator from the great state of __"

    Basically, he said Obama was speaking in hyperbole at that time.

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    There's a huge difference... (none / 0) (#216)
    by kredwyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:06:50 PM EST
    between referencing "my good friend from XY" on the Senate floor and referencing "my mentor and the guy my wife complains to about me."

    Both can be hyperbolic...but they aren't quite in the same vein.

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    Ed Shultz is still in denial (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:32:54 PM EST
    I listened to about 2 minutes of his show around 12:20 EST and he was still saying Wright will not be an issue at all - that Obama's great speech 6 weeks ago fixed everything.

    You know someone is in the tank when even Obama is saying something is a problem and they are still high on Kool-Aid.

    Obama is angry because Wright is (5.00 / 8) (#83)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:33:04 PM EST
    hurting his campaign, NOT because Wright is an uninformed crazy man. Sorry, not impressed.

    he was my spiritual mentor until he wasn't (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:34:30 PM EST
    is my big take away from the q & a session. That is, he said he was never my spiritual mentor, etc. But of course he in fact did many times say that he was. I wonder if anyone will give him the old split screen treatment. Oh, almost thought the press was fair there for a minute. Whew, but I recovered quickly. Well, maybe a youtube video at least.

    how about (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:40:47 PM EST
    he was my spiritual mentor before he wasn't

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    I meant it before I didn't mean it (none / 0) (#229)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:15:02 PM EST
    snark. Yep, that's what I meant.

    Man, Obama is so totally toast. Doesn't mean he won't get the nomination of course (you know our party), but he's toast.

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    I've come up with a new drinking game (5.00 / 4) (#93)
    by facta non verba on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:34:48 PM EST
    Watch Obama's press conference and every time he says "uh" have a drink. You'll be drunk after three minutes. If you don't drink alcohol, try it with kool-aid. It has the same effect.

    The Education of Barack Obama (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by lyzurgyk on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:34:52 PM EST

    Wright was clearly an important figure to Obama and this had to be a disappointing and emotionally challenging experience for him.   He should grow from it but it's a tough lesson.  

    I like Obama.   I believe Hillary is more likely to be a successful candidate and President but I do like Obama.

    Clinton/Obama 2008.

    Not! (none / 0) (#155)
    by Prabhata on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:52:20 PM EST
    Newsflash for you (none / 0) (#199)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:01:57 PM EST
    Americans expect their President, and their Vice President, to be already educated by the time they get to the big leagues. If Obama needs more education, he should stay in the Senate and get one. Not run for President while still in need of education. It's not an on-the-job-training program, it's the hardest job in the world. And Obama isn't qualified for it. It's as simple as that.

    P.S. And the VP should have the same qualifications. So that lets Obama out of the VP spot too. Never mind that he has too much baggage to win anything right now. He would be an anchor around Hillary's neck. She should smile sweetly and say that she looks forward to his support in the Senate. Although, after this mess and the reaction that it is going to cause in IL, it wouldn't surprise me if this was his last term as Senator too.

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    Obama's Judgment (5.00 / 0) (#126)
    by DCDemocrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:45:58 PM EST
    So let's get this right: A guy who claims his judgment qualifies him to be president knows a guy for 20 years but misjudges his character.

    Hmmmmm.

    When Obama gave his first speech on (5.00 / 0) (#136)
    by Florida Resident on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:48:20 PM EST
    the Reverend a while back I commented that in my opinion he was making the issue one with legs by distancing himself from someone who was his reverend and he claimed his mentor for 20 years.  He suddenly made the Reverend someone who was bad and wrong as if he had not been there any of the times comments were made.  The Reverend right or wrong on his comments about America, White people, etc.. Does have the right to feel betrayed since then, remember this is a guy (Obama) who used him and his church to claim cred as an community organizer and a man or the people.  Obama and Michele sat in that church more than once or twice, from what I have been able to gather Reverend Wright has been preaching the same way since he became a preacher.  So this had to be the Man He Knew for 20 years.  Rev. Wright is not the one that has changed.

    What a Viper I have placed (none / 0) (#169)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:55:59 PM EST
    in the bossom of Chicago.

    That's what Wright is thinking NO DOUBT about it.

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    Why did Oprah (none / 0) (#227)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:13:27 PM EST
    leave that church?

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    So...... all those people at (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:49:43 PM EST
    Orangistan who have been singing Wright's praises for the last few weeks. Are they going to switch to Hillary now?

    I've been wondering about that myself. (none / 0) (#186)
    by madamab on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:58:58 PM EST
    It's not just there, either.

    I'm stunned that anyone would defend Wright. That Kool-Aid must have some verrrrrry special ingredients...

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    I think this is where it all falls apart (5.00 / 0) (#152)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:51:46 PM EST
    for Obama, and the sad thing is that he did it to himself; he is no more a victim than Wright is.

    And what Obama has done in his remarks today is send a lot of now-skeptical reporters off on a treasure hunt, where they are bound to find a  trove of material that flies in the face of what Obama said today.

    Wright has framed all of this as an attack on the black church, likened it to insulting his momma and her religion, his daddy and his religious tradition.  I daresay Wright has managed to harness a lot of support for himself and his church and the black church tradition - and I cannot imagine that millions of blacks who proudly came out to support Obama are not now livid that Obama has completely trashed Wright.  Ooh, this is not going to be pretty.

    However smart Obama thinks he is, it may be that Jeremiah Wright is miles ahead of him and much more tuned into the black community than Obama is; short of Wright coming out and making a political statement in support of Obama, urging black voters who have not already voted not to abandon Obama, I don't see how Obama's support in the black community does not take a significant hit.

    The other edge of this double-edged sword is that Wright's remarks also tapped into the worst fears of the more unenlightened, and could pull some votes away on that score.

    It's all coming apart at the seams.  

    No one will believe that the Wright we've seen in the last three days is a different Wright than the man who was preaching in those video clips going back at least 7 years.  And it's kind of insulting that he thinks we will.


    Jimmy Carter said last night on (none / 0) (#220)
    by athyrio on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:08:06 PM EST
    Larry King Live, that many black churches preach this type of stuff, even the one in his home town of Plains, Georgia....Hmmmmm...

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    I'm stealing this... (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by p lukasiak on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:57:17 PM EST
    Obama Acquired Memory Loss (which is LMAO spelled backwards).

    brilliant! ;-)

    Obama also has said that (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:59:49 PM EST
    disrespecting Wright would disrespect all black people, IIRC.
    What a mess.


    Here's the quote: (none / 0) (#212)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:06:05 PM EST

    I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.



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    BREAKING NEWS (5.00 / 2) (#193)
    by Universal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:00:57 PM EST
    The DEMOCRATIC "Flight from Obama & Wright" has begun in earnest

    It's first member: Travis Childer, Democrat candidate for Congress in Mississippi

    See for yourself:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=484

    Also breaking: HRC picks up SD Ike Skelton of Missouri!!!

    an aspect of this (5.00 / 1) (#218)
    by ccpup on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:07:21 PM EST
    not yet talked about, I think, is how will those on-the-fence AAs feel about this?

    Some may understand the politics of it and vote for Obama anyway.  

    Others may wonder, however, if a President Barack will throw the AA Community and their wants and needs under the bus at the first sign of difficulty or challenge and may begin to come out of their SC-induced fog and remember quite clearly how good things actually WERE under President Clinton.

    If just a small percentage of AAs in NC begin to have serious doubts about Barack's strength in pushing forward things as President the AA Community finds important and decide to vote for Hillary instead, he may see NC slip out of his grasp ... as well as the Nomination.

    Casuistry, thy name is DHinMI (5.00 / 1) (#222)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:09:45 PM EST

    Now, however, as Wright goes around the country performing as a caricature of what many white voters will perceive as "The Scary Black Man," Obama has an obligation to repudiate Wright.  Failing to repudiate Wright risks allowing the GOP (and until then presumably the Clinton campaign) to use Wright as the Black proxy with which to scare off white voters.

    I'm sure the comments at
    The Oceania was always at war with Europa

    place will be as cogent as ever.

    NPR clip from presser about Wright included Obama (5.00 / 1) (#226)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:12:51 PM EST
    saying he had not heard Wright comment about the US gov't and AIDS (during top of the hour news summary).  Which is amazing, bcz that was one of the video clips played over and over.

    It's kind of scary when I know more about Wright's comments than someone who was in his church for 20 years did.

    Anyway, that was listed as one of the new reasons for a more complete break with Wright.

    Now, did NPR choose that snippet to let listeners decide whether or not Obama was naive...or lying? or not? I mean, NPR had a really long presser to choose a snippet from -- why that little piece with the abundance of times Obama disassociated himself from Wright?

    Act VI Obama the Pious (4.00 / 0) (#92)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:34:43 PM EST
    what a crock.  This was another grievance being exploited to provide Obama another podium.  This Party has to move on this wallowing in nothing but identify politics is so destructive the country rest of the country has a concern or two that could use some attention.

    And you cant make this stuff up

    Democrat's `88 nominee Dukakis says his wife is "an Obama fanatic," believes Florida/Michigan delegations should not be let in to advantage Clinton, and gives veepstakes advice.

    His own short-list finalists: Bentsen, Gore, Gephardt, Glenn.

    ...

    If only Obama could respond like this guy: (4.00 / 1) (#215)
    by ctrenta on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:06:49 PM EST
    The following is a heated exchange between Father Pfleger and FOX News flunkie Porter Berry. Pfleger pwned him. This is how to defend someone... NOT throw him under the bus!

    PLEASE WATCH!

    Obama the fighter? (2.00 / 0) (#28)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:16:02 PM EST
    Maybe he is recasting himself as a fighter too!  I would not underestimate the power of the moment, being cast as a victim and fighting back has worked for Clinton, why not Obama too?

    casting herself as a fighter worked for Clinton (5.00 / 8) (#36)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:19:09 PM EST
    because she is one.


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    Clinton (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by DJ on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:20:23 PM EST
    can actually fight back.  

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    I agree with you, but (none / 0) (#59)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:25:33 PM EST
    maybe he is trying to learn how to be one.  IF he does win nomination, we will need him to be one (even if he doesn't know it yet).  I wonder how much Michele had to do with this...I heard she was pissed with Wright yesterday.  She is definitely a fighter.

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    Unfortunately (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by DJ on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:33:04 PM EST
    we don't need for the democratic primary to be a training ground on how to be a fighter.  Didn't he call this his "spring training"?  We need someone who is a proven fighter to go up against the Republican and MSM machine to win the election.  
    Then we need someone who can fight/nudge/pull through Congress the legislation we need to really change this country.
    Hillary has shown she can do that.  Do I think she is the ONLY person who could do that? No, but Obama has shown it is something he is not able to do.

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    If the media decides (none / 0) (#4)
    by DaytonDem on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:05:51 PM EST
    the narrative is that Obama needs both Indiana and NC then he is toast. He will still win NC, lose Indiana and then be blown out in Kentucky and West Virginia.

    and if he only wins by (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:07:34 PM EST
    single digits in NC it will be even more of a problem.

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    what if he loses NC? (none / 0) (#67)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:28:06 PM EST
    He's toast sooner! (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by alexei on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:32:31 PM EST
    I just felt a tingle (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by Chimster on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:36:23 PM EST
    run up my leg when you asked that question.

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    I believe we are (none / 0) (#117)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:42:25 PM EST
    watching an implosion folks.

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    Difficult to See that Happening (none / 0) (#150)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:51:29 PM EST
    Unless AAs start to defect.  Which is possible, but I'm not going to believe it until I see it.  

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    if Hillary is really only 5 behind (none / 0) (#210)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:04:44 PM EST
    it is an absolute possibility.
    and we are still days away.  time for him to stick his other foot and both of Wrights feet in his mouth.


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    Unbelievable how much free air time (none / 0) (#51)
    by jen on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:23:21 PM EST
    O! gets. When's the last time any of the corporate cable teevee stations gave Hillary free air time? What a crock. How much more blatant can they get regarding who they want to go up against McCain? McCain, who will be their darling no matter who the Dem nominee is.

    This is probably. . . (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:25:22 PM EST
    airtime he'd be happy to forego.

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    they replayed NAACP Wright speech 3 times (none / 0) (#121)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:44:30 PM EST
    and the CNN pundits and anchors seemed to be giddy thinking it was helpful at the time.

    Oh dear, they mean well.

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    Never been addressed (none / 0) (#74)
    by beyondalldoubt on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:30:13 PM EST
    One thing the media has never even bothered to ask Obama is if when he was sitting in on Wright's sermons all those years, did Jeremiah talk this kind of radical political hate speech?

    From what I have seen, the clips they are using of Wright was from some kind of special event he did. Special as in... this is not your everyday sermon.

    Since the media wants to ask so many questions about Wright, please ask that one.

    They did (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by ineedalife on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:42:29 PM EST
    When the tapes first surfaced Obama flat out denied ever hearing anything controversial from Wright. ABC then said they had tapes of dozens of sermons and so Obama in The Speech acknowledged that he had heard some controversial things in church. He didn't specifiy what. And the media, once again, gave him a complete pass for flat out lying to them about an important point in order to buy time.

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    they have asked that actually (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:43:01 PM EST
    Obama denied it in his first round of interviews about a month ago and then about 3 days later he flip-floped and admitted he had heard some of the controversial statements while in the church (during his "A More Perfect Union" speech)

    Furthermore, the clips of Jeremiah Wright are not from a single event.  You can find a whole bunch of them on Youtube (and the church itself sold the DVDs on their website)  One came right after September 11th (chickens coming home to roost) and another came as late as this January where he went on a rant against "Hillary!"

    Another tape shows him humping a pulpit while saying that Bill Clinton "did us like Monica Lewisnky. He was ridin' dirty!"

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    Y'all are so funny. (none / 0) (#156)
    by 1jpb on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:52:31 PM EST
    He has always, and consistently, denied seeing the YouTube clips in person.  He has been shown to be correct.  Yes, he has seen what are vaguely refered to as "controversial" statements, but he has explicitly excluded the YouTube statements, which occurred when he wasn't in church.  There is no inconsistency, and I am certain that you know this, and I'm certain that you don't care, and I'm certain that you will misstate this again in the future.

    Feel free to prove me wrong.

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    you know this (none / 0) (#170)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:56:11 PM EST
    we know that is the talking point.
    we just dont believe it.
    or as BTD would say,
    speaking only for me.


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    why bother (none / 0) (#187)
    by diplomatic on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:58:59 PM EST
    Obama is inevitable, quit worrying. Right?  Just relax and throw a party.  NC is just around the corner... his coronation!

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    You think the good Rev. (none / 0) (#225)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:11:31 PM EST
    waited until he was sure Obama wasn't in church to deliver his rants Sunday after Sunday after Sunday?  Who-all is so funny?

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    on the videos the congregations cheer.... (none / 0) (#214)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:06:47 PM EST
    Wright's rants mocking the Clintons from the pulpit -  
    >>>>another came as late as this January where he went on a rant against "Hillary!" Another tape shows him humping a pulpit while saying that Bill Clinton "did us like Monica Lewisnky. He was ridin' dirty!"

    just as Obama's crowds cheered when he "brushed off Hillary" off the bottom of his shoe and coat and made the finger sign.

    Obama and Wright purposely incite Hate!


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    This will not be the last (none / 0) (#104)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:37:25 PM EST
    time Obama discusses Wright... not by a long shot.

    I liked it. (none / 0) (#110)
    by 1jpb on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:39:50 PM EST
    It wasn't until late yesterday that I got around to seeing all of the q&a from the Press Club.  And, it was obvious (imo) that Wright was gunning for BO.

    Imo, BO's response was very honest today.  The emotion of his response was clear; he was not angered by Wright's Press Club rant, but BO was very well controlled and reasonable.  Time and again he's shown that he is more honest* than most politicians.  Over time his comments have also shared a consistency  of logic/thinking because they always track back to his core beliefs about what's right.  His resistance to politics as a series of tactical contortions and manipulations driven by the short sighted opportunism is appealing to me.  I like that he isn't constantly changing the slogans and purpose of his campaign, the consistency inherently adds to his sincerity.  More than I've seen with a lot of politicians his reactions are based on what he feels and believes at his core**.  I like that, because I'm more resistant to micro targeting than many.

    *His comments about his writing on the "gun" questionnaire, seem to be an exception.  But, there were two memos so it's likely that his comments were technically correct.  And, it's completely plausible that he didn't fill out or carefully edit that form(s), even if he did write some additional supporters on the list, which was on the first page--politicians don't usually fill out these things.  And, his response (via staff) to Tapper about smoking was questionable, but I wouldn't be surprised if his comment to the staffer was technically correct, but easily (and innocently) loosing nuance or precision when retold by the staffer to Tapper.  

    **In a 1995 profile in The Chicago Reader, he [Obama] said, "What if a politician were to see his job as an organizer, as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them?"

    I do feel his emotion today was honest (none / 0) (#161)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:54:11 PM EST
    I understand it, as best as I can without having been in that position. He feels like he did the best he could to put Wright behind him without insulting Wright, and Wright chose to be agrieved and settle a score anyway. I don't for a minute believe Obama believes a lot of the things Wright believes, so to that extent all of this is unfair to Obama.  

    I have no way of knowing, nor do I care about, the depth of Obama's religious commitment to that church, but Obama derived certain benefits from sitting in that pew all those years and being part of that community.  I don't believe him when he says this Wright that just came out this weekend was not the same guy he has known for 20 years.

    "What if a politician were to see his job as an organizer, as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them?"

    Well, I'll answer that.  I'd say that politician is not describing the job of President of the United States.  But heckuva good VP, learning to also do the nuts and bolts of governing.

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    If we were going to (none / 0) (#228)
    by 1jpb on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:14:26 PM EST
    judge based on effectiveness in the Federal government (which exlcudes BO's 8 years in IL gov) the ranking would be:

    McCain  (Knows how to get big legislation passed.)
    BO  (lead D on gov accountability and arms control, one of two lead Ds on ethics reform)
    HRC  (No passed large scale national or international legislation that can affect all Americans.  Biggest attempt was heath care as first lady.  Presumably, we are to assume she has learned to build coallitions and get big things done, but she has chosen not to exercise this new found capacity.  Hence the Changemaker, Solutioner, Resultser, Fighter slogans, never mind actual accomplishments.  Certainly we shouldn't look closely at SCHIP, Bosnia, FMLA, or being "instrumental to peace in Ireland.)

    You seem to think that HRC can teach BO about coalitions and passing big legislation.  I don't see it.

    Is she a better kneecapper?  You could probably make that case (although BO can "fight" political battles, he's just smarter about how he does it), but that is  not a test of leadership.

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    too little too late (none / 0) (#221)
    by AlSmith on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:09:06 PM EST

    I understand that that is what you want to believe.

    Obama starts the speech by saying "I have spent my entire adult life trying to bridge the gap between different kinds of people. Thats in my DNA. Trying to promote mutual understanding, to insist that we all share common hopes and common dreams as Americans and as human beings".

    Ok, if that is the basis of your philosophy then why would you join a Black Liberation Theology (go read about it on wikipedia) church? This is not about if you happened to be in the pew when Rev Wright got on a role and let some craziness fly- the whole premise of of BLT is antithetical to to what he says he is in favor of. So one of these things is a put on.

    Since he stayed in the same church of 20 years its easier to believe that his sincere stance and this post racial candidate stuff is just posturing he has put on recently to aid his national aspirations.

    And I think he has been fudging around on the flag pin stance too.

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    How unfortunate BTD does not (none / 0) (#122)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:44:39 PM EST
    discuss "that certain pastor," as I would certainly be interested to hear the former's opinions on the effect of the WrightObama fallout on BTD's assessment of Obama's electability at this point.

    I think Obama did well today (none / 0) (#128)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:46:31 PM EST
    and hopefully the damage is limited.

    We will see.

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    he has been talking about it (none / 0) (#154)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:52:18 PM EST
    you have been away right?

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    Yes. I'm still "away" but faithfully (none / 0) (#167)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:55:25 PM EST
    tuning in here.  Guess I must be more thorough.  How many chiesas, basilicas, and museums can one person see, anyway?

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    not enough (none / 0) (#175)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:56:57 PM EST
    I didn't know Grandma was that big a racist! (none / 0) (#163)
    by p lukasiak on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:54:58 PM EST
    sorry, but this isn't going to fly.

    Not after he compared Wright to his grandmother...

    Instead of this "I didn't know" nonsense, he should have said

    "yeah, I knew that Reverend Wright was a crackpot.  In Philadelphia, I defended him because I knew he was retiring, and I didn't want to hurt the thousands of good people at my church, whose work with the poor and disadvantaged is what was really important to me...."

    But this just leaves Obama wide open for the GOP smear machine to question his honesty and integrity.  The far right isn't going to let Obama get away with "I didn't know", and Obama is gonna be hit with a double whammy... not only did he associate with Wright for 20 years, but now he's pretending he didn't really know who Wright was?  

    People still don't know who Obama is -- but in terms of "character" issues, he's totally cooked for November.


    3 things to look for (none / 0) (#171)
    by AM on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:56:11 PM EST
    Chimster asks:

    How will AA voters feel if Obama comes off as dissing the man that many AA's respect?

    I wonder about this too: seems to me this rift, and Obama's clear rejection of, and anger at, Wright today has the capacity to create a rift among AAs.

    Folks, that's why Hillary did not quit (none / 0) (#174)
    by Prabhata on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:56:42 PM EST
    when she was being pushed.  I admired how she stuck to her guns, even when she was being painted as the destroyer of the Democratic Party.  She knew in her bones that it was a matter of time when she'd pick up the pieces and walk away whole.

    several of us knew this (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:59:43 PM EST
    actually.


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    He should get out now (none / 0) (#181)
    by Left of center on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:58:14 PM EST
    while he still has a chance for a bright political future, otherwise he may end up in the political wilderness like Kerry, Dukakis,and Mondale.

    it called money (none / 0) (#183)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 02:58:16 PM EST
    I contributed today.
    have you?


    Obama struck by Lawyers disease! (none / 0) (#209)
    by ayesha1976 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:04:34 PM EST
    I wish Obama had not said that Rev Wright was just his pastor at the end of the denunciation. By doing so he has just exposed himself to be hit by one and all.He said the same thing about Rezko( just worked for his law firm for 8 hours),william ayers (just lives in my neighbourhood) and now Rev Wright is just a pastor who has married him to michelle. There's a video on youtube by ABC's Kieth Olberman where Obama is telling the audience to give a warm welcome to Rev wright who is his pastor,friend and worse!

    Why Barack why not stop at just denunciation instead of  doing a Hillary!
    Barack seems to be struck by Lawyers disease: Telling half-truths and misleading people about obvious things!


    Comments now closed (none / 0) (#230)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:15:39 PM EST
    and readers are reminded name calling and personal attacks and race-baiting are not allowed here. You may not call people racists or liars.

    There's a new thread by Big Tent Democrat on Obama's press conference here.

    the truth behind Obama (none / 0) (#232)
    by vin rose on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:22:12 PM EST
    go on the website of Obama's church http://www.tucc.org/about.htm and you will see that Wright is not an isolated incident. The church doctrine on the front page of the website says, "We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land,"

    In other words Obama is lying when he says he was surprised by Wright's remarks. This works with the Dems because they cannot afford to alienate the black vote. Obama will be skewered for lying now about what he knew to be true all along. If he becomes the nominee McCain is our next president and this is a most unfortunate thing for the planet earth.