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    Very Happy Anniversary... (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:44:50 AM EST
    to OWS, out doing their thing today to mark the occasion and to continue to voice our collective displeasure with different rules different fools rigged market economic policy.

    God bless them, every one.

    Off Topic... (none / 0) (#21)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:04:38 PM EST
    So on my drive to work I hear this commercial about a new show where electricity stops working, no cell phones, no banks, and no government.

    I just started laughing, and then the name, Revolution, and I was like someone has cracked kdog's brain and extracted his Nirvana.


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    Interesting idea (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:54:14 PM EST
    I've seen some commercials for the show.  It'll be interesting to see how they explain why the weapons of choice are swords and bows rather than guns, which don't use electricity.  Also curious how they manage to stockpile their makeup and hair/grooming supplies for 15 years.

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    Hold the phone... (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:29:30 PM EST
    no banks, no governments, no cell phones...and no guns?  This fictional post-apocalypse is definitely my kinda place!

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    Ya but no musice like Ryn Bigham, either. (none / 0) (#34)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:35:56 PM EST
    Or at least probably not at a venue near you.

    The Mrs and I are seeing him next Thursday...

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    Uh, Ryan Bingham, but you know that... (none / 0) (#35)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:36:32 PM EST


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    You're in for a treat! (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:53:32 PM EST
    We could still have Bingham...even if we have to run in a hamster wheel to generate electricity for the amps.  Worst case, acoustic;)

    Do ya know if the Dead Horses are backing him up this tour?  Can't find a specific mention, but I hope so...those dudes rock.

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    Ya know, I don't know. I just assumed they'd (none / 0) (#48)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:16:14 PM EST
    be with him.


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    As did I.... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:41:00 PM EST
    slightly concerned they aren't prominently billed...we shall see.

    Not that Bingham is gonna tour with hacks or anything, but them Dead Horses impressed the sh*t outta me when I saw him last, I'm just as amped to hear them.

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    Wow, set this show in a boat and (none / 0) (#89)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:52:30 PM EST
    it's our pirate crew's dream.

    Just don't think you're getting out of treadmill duty, kdog. We will still need to generate our own electricity.  :-)

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    I'm Interested.... (none / 0) (#40)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:59:33 PM EST
    ...to see how they explain away electricity.  I'm sure my parents got a couple old bike lights with generators in the garage.  My friend has shake flashlight for emergencies, plus lithium batteries and solar and wind...

    I don't get how that can be explained away in any believable sense.  But beyond that, I do like post apocalypse type movies, like Mad Max or 12 Monkeys.

    The guns thing is funny, my brother reloads shells so he would never run out.  He even has a couple muskets for.... Musket Hunting Season in Wisconsin.  Him and his buddies even poor their own bullet's, which I don't think are called bullets.

    Plus he has compound bows which would seem a little better than a sword should he run out of gunpowder.

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    Well, only some light makeup (none / 0) (#41)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:00:17 PM EST
    and hair grooming supplies will be needed if, assuming this is a typical network production, all the major actors are of the Beautiful White People Under-35 persuasion (to go with the usual assemblage of one token black/Hispanic/Asian actor and one or two cranky, unattractive and/or slightly disreputable and unlikable characters from the network's Old People stable of underemployed actors over 40).

    Iow, if I'm home tonight I might tune in.  If not, I rely on the normally trustworthy group here to fill me in on all the beautiful and slick drama I will have missed.  (Sorry, don't have one a them thar fancy machines that record while I'm away.)

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    This tendency of Hollywood to ignore (none / 0) (#47)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:16:02 PM EST
    some pretty basic stuff has been going on probably ever since the first movie was made; watch an old western on TCM sometime, and ask yourself if people really were that well-groomed and -coiffed while populating the hinterlands and manning the outposts of American civilization.  I think not.  I'm pretty sure they were dirty, and smelled really bad, and had really bad teeth, too, and the breath to go with it.

    I think we are victims of the reality juggernaut, the one where we want to be entertained, but we want it to be "real," too.  So, instead of just giving ourselves up to the fiction of a show like Revolution, we're all critically noting what rings true and what doesn't.

    Sometimes, we just have to let go of reality and not take what we see on the screen so seriously; it's just not that important!

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    True (none / 0) (#52)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:48:54 PM EST
    Once I'm watching, I can let go of reality pretty easily, particularly the superficial stuff - like the fact that everyone looks like a twenty-something model instead of a post-apocalyptic survivor.

    You're probably right, though ... if everyone looked like they should look under those circumstances, I'd probably be less likely to watch.

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    Hey now, I did say that, (none / 0) (#70)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:15:28 PM EST
    despite my pre-screening concerns, I was still going to try to catch it tonite, post-Apocalypse aficionado that I am.  And I dont want to rob NBC of a pair of eyeballs for its advertising which it can normally rely on (during NFL season only).

    No, I'm not averse to watching a bunch of young attractive types on the small screen.  Heck, I used to be young and attractive myself (based on dim memory of the young and attractive women I had the pleasure of dating).  I just missed out on a chance with Jennifer Granholm back in the day, is all I'm saying, a major disappointment despite her big hair and goofy 70s-hip attire.

    Back to the topic, the deal breakers for me that prevent me from watching at all are:  

    . movies/tv shows shot mostly in the dark
    . Productions shot with the trendy, shaky hand-held camera
    . movies/shows Eyetalianized (dialogue dubbed entirely post-production)
    . movies starring Schwarzenegger, Eastwood or Sylvester Stallone or any of their (remaining) Hollywood friends

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    lol.... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:21:04 PM EST
    if we can keep the electricity, that does sound like Utopia achieved;)

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    They still have Lycra (none / 0) (#38)
    by SuzieTampa on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:51:15 PM EST
    Here's what the NYT says in its review:
    Firearms are forbidden, and most survivors fend off attackers with knives and arrows. Life looks like a dystopian Renaissance fair: doctors gather herbs to treat illness, children tend goats and gather wood for fire. (Attractive young women still wear skinny jeans and tight tank tops, though -- it turns out that Lycra really does keep its cling.)


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    Too Funny.. (none / 0) (#42)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:02:25 PM EST
    ...dystopian Renaissance fair, is there any other kind ?

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    Note to Self... (none / 0) (#45)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:14:10 PM EST
    ...get the dooms day room outfitted with Spandex.  I will be the Levi Strauss of the dystopian Renaissance fair.

    Lycra is owned by the Koch Bros, no lycra for post-electricity please.

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    How do you "forbid" firearms w/knives... (none / 0) (#123)
    by Dadler on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:54:05 AM EST
    ...when there are half a billion guns laying around North America and they DON'T require electricity to fire?  Or was the country already disarmed pre-blackout?  Sorry, but I have to laugh. And what of the billions of batteries still around or all the solar gear (unless the show is lacking sunlight, as well)?  Disclaimer, tho: my buddy use to run Bad Robot (Abrams' company) and got screwed there, so I always smile when a JJ show doesn't measure up.

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    Watched the first episode (none / 0) (#129)
    by Yman on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:07:38 AM EST
    The premise is that firearms are still around but it is a death-penalty offense (at least in the "Monroe Republic") for anyone to possess one, except for the militias.  There is a scene where a civilian pulls one out at his home, but I guess the idea is you can't walk around with one openly, so people carry knives, swords and bows.  Many of the lower-ranking militia members also have swords rather than guns (some have muskets, believe it or not), so I'm guessing there will be some discussion about ammo becoming rare at some point.

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    We watched it too (none / 0) (#137)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:45:21 AM EST
    Of course I'm wondering how you get a martini, and are the martinis at The Grand drinkable?

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    I tried -- honestly NBC! -- (none / 0) (#145)
    by brodie on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 01:46:17 PM EST
    but couldn't make it past the first 10 min.  Had a long day, mostly managing to miss coverage of political events, and so decided my late evening entertainment fare would be Lawrence and Tweety smacking the Mittster around over the tape.

    Someone will have to tell me whether they disclosed what caused the blackout or whether this is something they only slowly uncover over the course of a season of episodes.

    A little too slickly produced for me, to be frank.  But if the opener is available online I might give it another look, political events permitting.

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    also I think the premis is that electricity (none / 0) (#133)
    by DFLer on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:19:23 AM EST
    simply doesn't work...whether battery powered or not.

    Saw part of the 1st episode.....unbearable lightness of story. Oh the angst!

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    The earth's magnetic field (none / 0) (#146)
    by Dadler on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 02:59:22 PM EST
    i could buy that as an explanation, and it seems a no-brainer, since the topic has been in the news of late, with experts seeing very radical changes in the planet's field, and predicting a reversal of polarity in the near future, with near being relative in our brief mortal spans.

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    yes I can buy that too (none / 0) (#148)
    by DFLer on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 04:26:21 PM EST
    I love hard-core sciency sci-fi, like Greg Bear.

    What turned me off about this show was the social story.

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    By the end of last night's episode we learned (none / 0) (#149)
    by caseyOR on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 06:08:28 PM EST
    that some people do have access to electricity. Who has electricity is a very closely held secret.

    The Ben character, the father who was killed by the militia, was wanted by General Monroe because Ben knows how to turn the electricity back on.

    I'm going to watch it again next week. If any part of a show catches my eye during the first episode, I give it another shot because some shows need a few episodes to get into a good rhythm.

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    I must have fallen asleep before the electricity (none / 0) (#150)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:40:40 PM EST
    was revealed. Intriguing premise, but a little light on plot last night, imo...

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    And l'Shanah Tovah (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:56:45 AM EST
    -- a happy Jewish New Year -- to the entire TL community, whether "chosen" or otherwise.

    Come on BTD (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:38:14 AM EST
    With glass steagall in place our economy could not be gutted under many different courts and administrations.  I understand what you are saying about the application of our anti-trust laws, but administrations have tremendous influence over what laws are enforced.  Sorry, but the only way to contain the damage that different political influences can do to all of us is through strict regulation of the makeup of banking infrastructure.

    As things exist we are only one administration away from fubar hell again and again and again.  It isn't socially healthy.

    If Glass-Steagall meant so little (4.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:52:08 AM EST
    Why did so many big financial players fight to get it ousted?

    Because it mattered. Clinton phucked up inexcusably in this respect. Remember Greenspan saying his fundamental view of things had been wrong, Clinton can offer the same half-assed mea culpa on this one.

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    And you married banking :) (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:59:28 AM EST
    You know things from the trenches.  Didn't your spouse work for a bank that as Atrios calls it "got eated" ?

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    Yep (none / 0) (#117)
    by Dadler on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:33:29 AM EST
    Taken over by City National in a very shady deal that stunk, and that also turned out to be, on top of everything else financially backassward, a big p*ssing contest between state and federal regulators.

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    Query: does Rush provide a blog for (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:57:52 AM EST
    commenting about his show while he's still on the air?  

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    Don't know but doubt it (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:04:46 AM EST
    I really wish I had more Liberal friends with sass down here.  You know what would be the best martini party evah?  The call into Rush party, where we listen to him and everyone sassy is trying to call in and get through on their cell phones!  You always inspire me.

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    yes, but you have to sign up and (none / 0) (#19)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:44:34 PM EST
    pay for a membership, as I understand it, to be eligible to post.

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    Heh, by the time Romney's company is done (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:42:46 PM EST
    With him it'll be his only way of obtaining a salary.  Hoped he saved for rainy days.

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    50 days out (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:44:12 AM EST
    President Obama has two public events today in  Cincinnati, Ohio and Columbus, Ohio. Michelle Obama has two public events in Gainesville, Florida and Tallahassee, Florida. Biden has one public event in Burlington, Iowa.

    By comparison, Paul Ryan has one public event in Des Moines, Iowa and Romney has no public events instead spending the day in California for a fund raiser.

    And for an interesting side note, Biden goes after the MASH fan vote by spending the night in Ottumwa.

    Burlington, Iowa? My ' hood! (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:57:00 AM EST


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    SNL Eastwood and chair bit (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:49:05 AM EST
    Bill Hader with a pretty funny take. (link)

    Two Wisconsin Senate polls (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:21:06 AM EST
    out today. Both have Tammy Baldwin moving ahead of Thompson. One is an internal Baldwin poll and one is PPP. Think I'd probably not get excited about either one and wait until the Marquette University poll on this race comes out later in the week.

    Baldwin has supposedly been hammering Thompson as a lobbyist in TV ads accounting for the movement in her direction (although all Dem Senators appear to have made positive gains post convention).

    These are the first Senate polls out of Wisconsin in a month. All August polls favored Thompson.

    Rick Santorum sez Smart People (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:28:40 PM EST
    ... will never be on his side.

    Thanks for clearing that up, Rick.

    I keep reading over and over and over (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:39:48 PM EST
    Again that Romney isn't likable as if that has something to do with what's going on.  If he was right about one thing, if he brought anything with him that would end anyone's suffering he'd be likable enough.  His problem is his party has lost their damn minds and he's lost his too.  They've got nothing, and everything he wants to do to us Dubya already did and it all got us here.  They offer nothing but suffering and undeserved hardship.

    Romney (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:07:05 PM EST
    pretty much describes all Obama voters as freeloaders at a fundraiser

    Today he said he wished he was Latino so he'd have a better shot at winning the election.

    One word: Devastating. (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:52:39 PM EST
    Once again, Mitt Romney proves that he's simply not ready for prime time. Regardless of whatever he says in the inevitably pending press conference to explain himself, this gem of a quote will be the gift that keeps on giving for President Obama and the Democrats.

    Is it too early to say that the fat lady has sung, and she's gone out for cheesecake? (Snark!)

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    FL hasn't sung yet (none / 0) (#96)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:06:17 PM EST
    because apparently this video has a lil' Steve Jobs in it, aka "And one more thing..." after we get done with the main presentation of the 47% quote :)

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    Must not think much of his wife (none / 0) (#56)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:10:35 PM EST
    as a spokkesperson for the campaign. here he is describing why she isn't prominent on the campaign trail

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    What an a$$hole. (none / 0) (#58)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:19:16 PM EST


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    Hope this gets traction ... (none / 0) (#59)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:26:10 PM EST
    ... and he's grilled on this by reporters.

    What a tool.  The saddest part is that so many of his supporters actually believe this cr@p.

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    Obama campaign (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:43:46 PM EST
    responds quickly to new Romney video out today.

    "It's hard to serve as president for all Americans when you've disdainfully written off half the nation."

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    I just can't believe (none / 0) (#65)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:01:12 PM EST
    how f@cking disconnected this guy is. Didn't he learn anything at all about how campaigns work in this day and age of video/internet/speed of info spread from the last campaign (and look at tech now!!)? Clinging to bibles and guns comes to mind from the guy who he wants to beat . . . and to think he's been preparing/running for this for how many years?! Maybe he'll release a tax return, lol!~

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    Releasing his tax returns (none / 0) (#67)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:08:05 PM EST
    would prove to everyone that he hasn't actually paid his taxes. That he's a tax-evading criminal who's unfit for office in the first place.

    As Bush Sr. would say: "Na gonna happen!"

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    Too true (none / 0) (#71)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:15:49 PM EST
    but he's gonna need some kinda distraction d@mn quick . . .

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    Maybe he'll attend Rosh Hashonah services (none / 0) (#72)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:25:02 PM EST
    tonight. Photo op!! But he'll have to get over his fear of hair mussing and don a yarmulke...

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    Matthews is all over it. (none / 0) (#82)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 07:03:33 PM EST


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    Hey, plenty of people told him to (none / 0) (#61)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:35:02 PM EST
    pick Rubio for his running mate.

    But I don't think it would help much.

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    Speaking of how much people pay in taxes, (none / 0) (#68)
    by lilburro on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:12:17 PM EST
    Mitt, ahem...

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    Holy cow... (none / 0) (#84)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 07:11:55 PM EST
    I seriously don't think there's any way he gets out of this one; he doesn't just have his leg in a rhetorical bear trap, this time he just put his whole head in one.

    "SNAP!"

    And he's going to do it again and again and again; makes me think that with blood in the water, the debates ought to be quite a show - a sh!t show, that is.

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    You must be $hitting me (none / 0) (#107)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 09:47:25 AM EST
    On that second line.  If not, well he has surpassed any gaffe I could have ever imagined.  Nothing nothing nothing good to say at this point, what a self righteous ignorant white man's burden frickhead!

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    Looking forward to the BTD take (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:28:29 PM EST
    on today's Romney video.

    While we wait here are the takes of a few others.

    "This tape strikes me as absolutely devastating."
    Josh Marshall

    "Romney fundraiser controversy a good reminder: There are no private moments when you are running for president." - Chris Cillizza

    "This tape would destroy Romney's chances if he had any." - Markos Moulitsas

    "New Romney message: 47% of America sucks and I wish I were Mexican." - Brad Woodhouse

    "How does Romney explain or respond to this video? It's devastating." - Taegan Goddard

    "If These Secret Videos Are Real, They Look Brutal For Mitt Romney" - Business Insider

    "What a pompous, arrogant, elitist, jerk." - John Aravosis

    Romney's (non)response to video (none / 0) (#86)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:04:22 PM EST
    Romney's campaign Monday night didn't challenge the authenticity or editing of the undated video. Instead, campaign Communications Director Gail Gitcho released a statement saying that "Mitt Romney wants to help all Americans struggling in the Obama economy."

    "As the governor has made clear all year, he is concerned about the growing number of people who are dependent on the federal government, including the record number of people who are on food stamps..., Gitcho said. "Mitt Romney's plan creates 12 million new jobs in four years. grows the economy and moves Americans off of government dependency and into jobs."

    Link

    Gonna have'ta do better than that, Mitt.

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    Oy, vey (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:20:34 PM EST
    Can this man and his advisors possibly be more clueless?  Is he deliberately trying to lose?  Does he think that the majority of the voters in this country are white and in the top 1%, or even 5%?  They may be the ones giving his campaign tons of dough, but they ain't the majority.  On the other hand, I suppose we should be happy that he keeps on digging his grave deeper and deeper.  What an idiot he is.

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    Romney nailed my beliefs. (none / 0) (#88)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:49:59 PM EST
    I confess, I believe that we are all "entitled to health care, to food, to housing. . ."

    I find it shameful that in this, the world's richest nation, so many of us are homeless, hungry and sick, with no hope of relief.

    Oh, and he's right about never getting my vote.

    Mitt sure has me pegged.

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    If there were any political justice, ... (none / 0) (#94)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:56:16 PM EST
    ... Barack Obama would be told by the networks that he could send a cardboard cutout to the upcoming debates in his stead, and simply phone in his performance.

    Really hard to see how Romney survives this gaffe, if the press zeroes in on it and presses him.

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    just for fun (none / 0) (#101)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:56:05 PM EST
    the Obama cardboard cutout should be sitting in a chair next to Willard, & Willard should have to talk to it

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    It's interesting how they went from (none / 0) (#99)
    by lilburro on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:43:59 PM EST
    "compassionate conservatism" to this pure ruthlessness.  Of course GW screwed up this country royally but he did actually try to present himself as caring about the less fortunate.  You know, they realized you couldn't just be THAT MUCH OF A D*CK.  Sheesh.

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    Compassionate conservatism... (none / 0) (#104)
    by unitron on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 08:01:03 AM EST
    ...means they only have compassion for conservatives.

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    Happy birthday, U.S. Constitution. (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by caseyOR on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:57:44 PM EST
    It was signed 225 years ago today in Philadelphia.

    Sorry we haven't taken better care of you, Constitution.

    I think it is interesting that there are no federal celebrations of this day. I guess the Constitution just isn't that important to the government.

    they rang th Liberty Bell in Philly (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:18:03 PM EST


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    The researcher (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:17:15 PM EST
    that tracked down the person with the video and got him in touch with David Corn at Mother Jones?...none other than James Carter IV.

    Elizabeth Warren (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 01:04:17 AM EST
    shows a lead in her third consecutive poll. This one by Suffolk University. All three pollings in Massachusetts since the convention have placed Warren in the lead:

    Western NE University +6
    PPP +2
    Suffolk University +4

    It's starting to look like a trend.

    Proof that Romney's "47%" is false (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Yman on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 08:29:42 AM EST
    Not that anyone should believe it, but no doubt the wingers will be defending this claim.  Here's a chart showing 2008 exit poll data by income:

    Income        Obama         McCain
    <15K            73%            25%
    15K-30K        62%            36%
    30K-50K        55%            43%
    50K-75K        50%            48%
    75K-100K       52%            47%
    100K-150K     50%            49%
    150K-200K     50%            48%
    >200K           53%           45%

    So Obama won 50%+ of all voters, including the voters who are paying income taxes.  While Obama received a majority of the low-income (under 15K) vote, Romney better be careful not to diss the 25% of under 15K voters, the 35% of 15K-30K voters, or the 43% of 30-50K voters who voted Repub.

    The freaking (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 09:37:40 AM EST
    irony is that when you break this stuff down by state it's the deep red states that vote for the GOP that are the ones that don't pay taxes. Of course, these idiots are not going to see that and are never going to think that it's "them"

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    I saw that this morning (none / 0) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 09:49:58 AM EST
    On a mapped breakout of who votes red and the states paying the least in federal income taxes.

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    Found it (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by Yman on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:43:29 AM EST
    The 10 states with the highest percentage of "non-payers" -

    -- Alabama

    -- Arkansas

    -- Florida

    -- Georgia

    -- Idaho

    -- Louisiana

    -- Mississippi

    -- New Mexico

    -- South Carolina

    -- Texas

    How much you wanna bet that a heee-YOOOOOGE percentage of those red-staters don't even realize that Romney was insulting them?

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    Yes, this is it (none / 0) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:56:02 AM EST
    I couldn't find it

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    And lets not forget... (none / 0) (#127)
    by kdog on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:03:31 AM EST
    that some of these "non-payers" of FIT work for guys like Mitt Romney, making so little they owe no FIT, so Mitt clones can glom more and stash it in the Caymans.

    It all comes back to more subsidies for big business!

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    I read some place that it costs (none / 0) (#130)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:07:51 AM EST
    The Romneys of this world less to outsource your job and give you crappy sporadic healthcare and foodstamps than it costs them to give you a decent job with a future and benefits and a retirement.

    When I think about it that way, we are forever fricked...doomed to crumbs.....if this elite oligarchy isn't forced out of the halls of power!

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    MT (none / 0) (#119)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:39:44 AM EST
    do you have link to the mapped breakout? Thanks.

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    They had it on MSNBC (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:53:41 AM EST
    this morning.  I looked on their site and they don't have it up yet.  There are a few maps on google images that are similar, but the map MSNBC had this morning had something like the 10 states with citizens paying the least in income taxes.  Other than New Mexico which leans Dem, and Florida they listed as battleground, all of the others are our most hostilely red states and of course AL and MS were leading the way.  So damned broke and broken nobody can afford to pay federal income taxes, but by God we are Republicans.

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    If you look out your window and see (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by Anne on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:11:46 AM EST
    pigs flying, it's because David Brooks actually makes sense today...I know, a stopped clock and all that, but you know it's not good when people like Brooks have gotten to the point where they have to defend Romney as a "nice man."

    Here's an excerpt from "Thurston Howell Romney:"

    This comment [the one about the 47%] suggests a few things. First, it suggests that he really doesn't know much about the country he inhabits. Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare?

    It suggests that Romney doesn't know much about the culture of America. Yes, the entitlement state has expanded, but America remains one of the hardest-working nations on earth. Americans work longer hours than just about anyone else. Americans believe in work more than almost any other people. Ninety-two percent say that hard work is the key to success, according to a 2009 Pew Research Survey.

    It says that Romney doesn't know much about the political culture. Americans haven't become childlike worshipers of big government. On the contrary, trust in government has declined. The number of people who think government spending promotes social mobility has fallen.

    The people who receive the disproportionate share of government spending are not big-government lovers. They are Republicans. They are senior citizens. They are white men with high school degrees. As Bill Galston of the Brookings Institution has noted, the people who have benefited from the entitlements explosion are middle-class workers, more so than the dependent poor.

    Read it all - you can keep checking, but the byline is still going to say "David Brooks," no matter that it's not what you expect from him.  Oh, he throws in a few typical-for-him observations, but none of them kill the lede, which I think translates to "Romney is deeply out-of-touch with his own country."  With a helping of "trying to be someone he's not" on the side.

    Not bad for someone I consider to be a twit of the highest order.

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    Still with the arithmetic..... (none / 0) (#134)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:24:38 AM EST
    not the GOP strong suit.

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    Good Show (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:02:38 AM EST
    We were teasing the house soldier yesterday, we told him he was "on the government"...addicted to it...couldn't get off of it.  He started when he was 19, he is hopelessly addicted and probably can't be helped and can never be responsible for himself now.  He is too damaged, sort of a professional vampire.  How can you fix someone who has mooched his whole adult life?

    He was not amused by any of us.

    Then (none / 0) (#128)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:06:58 AM EST
    he has to be doubly NOT AMUSED by the Mittster. LOL.

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    He can parse the Mittster (none / 0) (#131)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:09:42 AM EST
    For his Conservative friends.  Your kids making fun of you ends the parsing of any of this!!!!

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    Nice 'n Sleazy (none / 0) (#12)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:52:48 AM EST
    the Grosse Pointe Park man [is] accused of trying to pay a furniture store owner to kill his former handyman, Joe Gentz, who is jailed on conspiracy and murder charges in the January killing of Bashara's wife, Jane. The handyman has claimed that Robert Bashara offered him money and a car to kill Jane... reportedly so that Bashara and his girlfriend could pursue a sex bondage lifestyle.

    - From The Detroit News

    Ridiculous paternalistic censorship, (none / 0) (#13)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:02:02 PM EST
    as if this really was 1959, by local independent LA tv station KCET (for many years a PBS affiliate), in their airing last night of the classic movie from the 80s Diner.

    Not only were all the swear words bleeped out, but the station censors pixillated the mouth area whenever the actors were shown swearing.  And this was a mildly profane movie being shown late at night (9-11 pm) in a big culturally diverse and robust major city not in the bible belt.

    I was rather surprised they even left in most of the popcorn box scene.

    Pathetic butcher job overall, and ridiculous censor overkill if it was done to avoid painfully outdated FCC sanctions, assuming the bad words law is still in effect.

    I'll always remember a startup Detroit station (none / 0) (#14)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:20:40 PM EST
    Channel 20, which I believe was minority owned and extremely undercapitalized at the time, over thirty years ago.

    Their only advertiser was Bird Talk magazine and they could barely afford technical staff, much less censors.  Among their late night movie offerings were Jess Franco sexploitation films, liberally laced with nudity.  Weirdest of all, the Nazi propaganda film, Triumph of the Will, unsubtitled and untranslated in German.

    Maybe the only reason they got away with it was that no one was watching.

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    Oops. That was actually Channel 36. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:22:02 PM EST


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    Such a good film. Why show it at all (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:22:19 PM EST
    if it has to be butchered.  

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    PBS does that with everything now (none / 0) (#18)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:29:32 PM EST
    And it's pathetic. I stopped giving them my money when the censorship began a few years ago.

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    Understand your stance (none / 0) (#20)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 12:48:43 PM EST
    however, they do so many things right, perhaps you'd reconsider your donation. One small example: only place that broadcasts Bill Moyers. (Much less all the great dramatic series)

    Which reminds me, is Downton Abbey starting again?

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    It just started in England. Not here. (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:13:59 PM EST


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    So all those Brit imports they (none / 0) (#25)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:28:22 PM EST
    show on PBS -- are they profanity-free fare in the original or censored by the local stations?  Suspect the latter.

    I haven't seen much non-news/doc PBS programming lately, not really since the days of Alastair Cooke and Mahsterpiece Theatuh.

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    The first time PBS aired "Prime Suspect" (none / 0) (#26)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:35:57 PM EST
    was in the 1990's, and they left every swear word in. When they re-aired the episodes last year (right before the American version was aired on broadcast TV) PBS bleeped out everything deemed offensive to terrified, timid U.S. ears. It was so stupid, and I am sure the Brits think we have lost our marbles. Half the fun of Helen Mirren's performance as Jane Tennyson is hearing her shout swear words at the guys in her unit!

    I've noticed that a lot of the old great spy and police shows from Britain are now regularly censored when re-aired on PBS. It's indefensible, IMO.

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    PBS still airs some good programs (none / 0) (#30)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:55:19 PM EST
    but half of all their nightly programming, at least in Seattle, is now fund drives. I do not need to see Roy Orbison in phony black and white video, Ed Sullivan's Greatest Guests, Riverdance, Joe Bonnamara, Victor Borge, or that cloying and annoying little pipsqueak with the shaved head, Wayne Dyer ever again. I've even had my fill of that same old Leonard Cohen concert.

    I'm glad Bill Moyers is back, and some of Masterpiece is still worth watching. But the censorship was a deliberate and craven decision made by the woman who took over PBS about 7 years ago (can't remeber her name... Leslie something?) and now all of the shows that once aired with dialogue intact -- including Frontline and the Ken Burns specials -- are routinely censored for language. My local station used to show a Friday night movie at 10 pm, and then they started bleeping out swear words from all the great 60's and 70's movies by directors like Coppola, Pakula, Lumet, etc. Now thay have stopped showing the movies altogether.

    PBS wet their pants over the GOP and the FCC. I find the censorship more offensive than any of the "bad" words, particularly when they still show all the violence. PBS and NPR have gone in the same direction in recent years. I no longer make donations to NPR either.

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    I hear ya on the fund drives &c (none / 0) (#46)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:14:47 PM EST
    Even worse, down here in SoCal the remaining PBS affiliate near LA, KDOC in Orange County, includes a merry bubbly wunnerful helping of musty Lawrence Welk shows in its drives.  I guess the over-75 white Republicans are still an important part of that station's demographics.

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    they finally started showing a new pledge drive (none / 0) (#81)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 07:02:46 PM EST
    music show around here...at least new to me:  something like soul/disco music of the seventies...GREAT live current performances by the Stylistics and The Emotions. Didn't see the whole thing.

    Way better then some of those performances on another perennial pledge show by the doo-wop guys...."Geezers on the Street-corner"

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    Except that KCET as I understand (none / 0) (#24)
    by brodie on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:22:43 PM EST
    is no longer (as of 2010) an official PBS affiliate but is an indy station, supposedly trying to grow an audience because of prior viewership and donations shortcomings when it was with PBS.

    This might be some half-measure, half-hearted, cynical attempt at going for a younger hipper audience -- once they've sucked you into watching (intro'd by a guy saying it would be shown "uninterrupted"), they hope the younger under-75 viewers will stick it out despite the glaring and frequent censorship interruptions.

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    Interesting Stats (none / 0) (#31)
    by Slado on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:55:59 PM EST
    Seems like the multiplier effect has turned into the divider effect...

    Since Obama has taken office through Q2 2012 for comparative purposes

    For every $1 added to the economy, we've added more than $3 in debt

    $5.23 trillion in debt vs. $1.68 trillion to the economy

    50% increase in debt vs. 12% increase in economic output

    Total Public Debt:

    $10,626T [Jan 20, 2009]
    $15,856T [Jun 30, 2012]

    [source: Treasury Dept]

    GDP

    $13,923T [Q1 2009]
    $15,606T [Q2 2012]

    [source: BEA]

    Not from increased spending (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:09:49 PM EST
    The multiplier effect refers to an effect in which an increase in spending produces an increase in national income and consumption greater than the initial amount spent.  In your case, you're specifically referring to federal government spending.

    In reality, the growth of federal government spending under Obama has been less than any other POTUS since Eisenhower.

    When you take an economy off a cliff a la 2008, revenues drop rapidly, resulting in greater debt.  File your complaints with your buddy George.

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    Y'er buddy George? No, no, can't have that (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:43:47 PM EST
    We all know how it works.  Responsibility is passed down from one Democratic president to the next.  From Carter to Clinton.  From Clinton to Obama.  Republicans are the party of non-responsibility and thus it is written, so shall it always be.  Not Responsible.

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    Congress controls spending (none / 0) (#53)
    by Slado on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:53:41 PM EST
    And it was in control from 2006 until 2010.

    I actually blame both parties for out of control spending.

    Problem is the rhetoric of this president is we don't spend enough while our deficit balloons.

    I'd throw them all out if I could and install Ron Paul for two terms to clean this mess up.

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    Dance, dance, dance ... (none / 0) (#57)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:16:26 PM EST
    The point is the deficit was not caused by a "divider effect" - or an increase in federal spending.  It was caused by a drop in revenue when the economy tanked.

    BTW - Why the sudden change from blaming Obama and focusing on Jan. 2009 to June, 2012 ... then switching to Congress from 2006-2010?

    Guess you're not really blaming "both parties".

    BTW - Ron Paul would never get elected, and it's not just because of his crazy newsletters.  His positions would rightfully be rejected as too extreme by the American people.  He's simply a Libertarian's wet dream ... that's all.

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    He is crazy but even crazy people (none / 0) (#64)
    by Slado on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:58:48 PM EST
    are right about something.  And our budget is that something.

    See this from Reason on Military Spending.

    They always talk about the Third Rail in politics but no one discusses the military.

    Quite frankly any budget discussion that doesn't talk about Entitlements and the Military simultaneously is not serious.

    We tax plenty by the way.   We just spend to much.

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    I know the fiscal Libertarian ... (none / 0) (#79)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:23:12 PM EST
    ... argument.  Basically, I got mine ... screw everybody else.

    Once again, your original point (that there is some "divider effect" caused by an increase in government spending during the Obama administration) just doesn't hold any water.

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    Thank (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:49:22 PM EST
    you for reminding us how disastrous Obama's turn the page strategy has been. His failure to hold Bush and Cheney responsible now has the GOP blaming him.

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    Well, what do you expect when ... (none / 0) (#97)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:09:39 PM EST
    ... 47% of Democratic voters are on the public dole?

    :-P

    You are a veritable font of misinformation, Slado, and suffice to say that it's a total waste of time discussing public and private debt with people who weren't at all worried about it when the Republicans were in charge and maxxing out the credit cards.

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    Michelle Obama (none / 0) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:08:39 PM EST
    just went live in Gainesville if anyone wants to watch

    Started late (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:16:20 PM EST
    because "the line to get in is wrapped through the parking lot"

    Sounds like a packed O-Dome

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    Michelle (none / 0) (#90)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:53:49 PM EST
    knows her audience

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    She looks great (none / 0) (#100)
    by lilburro on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:44:52 PM EST
    she's really found her voice.  Maybe if we're lucky she'll have a higher profile the second time around.

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    Romney's promise for specifics (none / 0) (#44)
    by Yman on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:10:59 PM EST
    The Romney campaign has promised to unveil more specifics on Romney's campaign proposals, ...

    ... but isn't offering any specifics on the specifics.

    That's because ... (none / 0) (#95)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:57:50 PM EST
    ... they're way too busy trying to explain away his "47%" gaffe.

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    Business Insider (none / 0) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:44:56 PM EST
    evaluates the Romney economic plan today and comes to the following conclusion...

    "Our analysis suggests that the Romney Plan will radically increase America's debt and deficits over the next 10 years."

    As opposed to what (none / 0) (#54)
    by Slado on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:54:26 PM EST
    Don't we already have that?

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    Hey you 47er, you moocher! (none / 0) (#60)
    by Politalkix on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:27:56 PM EST
    link

    What King Mitt really thinks!

    Wow - all the things we know they think (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 04:42:31 PM EST
    right there in black and white.

    I love the statement about how people that don't pay taxes (every Obama voter) are not receptive to the GOP lower taxes message.  In other words, we can't bribe them with that like we can all of you rich guys.

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    Romney is finished (none / 0) (#66)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:05:11 PM EST
    whether this video makes it into the mainstream media or not. (But, of course, I will popping champagne corks if it does.) His statements at that fundraiser show the whole world what whiny, racist, lying little piece of sh*t he really is.

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    Obama campaign will make sure (none / 0) (#69)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:14:33 PM EST
    this gets into the mainstream, I would think . . .

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    One can hope! (none / 0) (#73)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:25:52 PM EST
    The champagne's chilling...

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    Slowly, it begins... (none / 0) (#75)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:42:36 PM EST
    ABC News links to AP story on Romney video

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    And it's now on (none / 0) (#76)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:47:47 PM EST
    The Washington Post

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    Ha! Bloomberg News Headline says: (none / 0) (#77)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:53:36 PM EST
    "Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election."

    I guess that means my bottle of Gloria Ferrer bubbly gets opened tonight!

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    lol!~ classic. (none / 0) (#78)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:59:39 PM EST
    enjoy your bubbly!

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    It's now on the front page of the NYT (none / 0) (#80)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 06:31:08 PM EST
    But I can't link to it, because I've already used up my ten free ones at NYT for the month.

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    here you go (none / 0) (#83)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 07:06:21 PM EST
    I've got a couple left

    NYT

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    Thank you! (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by shoephone on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 07:18:45 PM EST


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    Big NPR this morning (none / 0) (#103)
    by ruffian on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 07:14:39 AM EST


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    Maybe this too shall pass. (none / 0) (#109)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:03:11 AM EST
    Thinking of candidate Obama's statement    at a fundraiser. Bitter. Clinging. Guns. Religion.

    well, it's been said elsewhere (none / 0) (#113)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:16:10 AM EST
    but those comments were made in the context of 20 years of failed economic policies, to paraphrase Obama.  It was condescending but his intention was not to leave those people behind in his campaign.  Romney's intent is different.

    And had Obama said that earlier than PA, who knows what would've happened.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:20:32 AM EST
    Obama may have said that he did not intend to leave them behind but he did.

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    Well you get the point (none / 0) (#116)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:24:56 AM EST
    the statements are totally different.  And I don't think it's necessarily fair to say those folks were left behind, Obama is up pretty high in PA right now so I'd say people there disagree with you.

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    Actually (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:37:05 AM EST
    you don't think that having Geither run economic policy was leaving people behind? My thoughts on the polling is that the working class voters are probably not going to show up. It's not like Romney is really offering them anything either is he?

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    Of course I think it left people behind. (none / 0) (#121)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:44:59 AM EST
    That doesn't have to do with the intent of what Obama said vis a vis "clingers."

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    No fair, BTD...putting "Tuesday" on (none / 0) (#110)
    by Anne on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:08:56 AM EST
    yesterday's open thread... had me going for a minute, as I was reading comments I knew I had read yesterday and wondering if I had finally gone 'round the bend.

    Although it's true that, on some days, I am closer to the bend than ever, lol.

    With all this solo flying you're doing, your arms must be really, really tired.

    Love how Romney's defending himself today; hard to dig himself out of a hole when he keeps filling it with sh!t...stuff's starting to smell really, really bad.

    Staying in the spirit of the day (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:14:40 AM EST
    BTD went with the freeloader/moocher way to post a new open thread.

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    I wondered (none / 0) (#115)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:21:48 AM EST
    how the comments got up so high in such a short people of time.

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    The video (none / 0) (#111)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:13:06 AM EST
    really, it isn't new.  This is a line I hear conservatives say all the time.  Is the media going to be competent and explain what that number really means this time?  

    Would've liked to hear (none / 0) (#125)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:01:48 AM EST
    a bit more analysis of exactly how deep of a hole this puts the Romney campaign in.  Maybe tomorrow.  The FDR was good (although Obama is no FDR).

    Maybe these comments will help boost someone more FDR like, like Warren, than they will Obama.

    Slow campaign day (none / 0) (#135)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:37:12 AM EST
    President Obama will be on Letterman.

    Biden has two events: one in Ottumwa, Iowa and one in Grinnell, Iowa.

    Paul Ryan has two events: one in Dover, NH and one in Newport News, VA.

    With no public events Romney is in hiding for the day.

    Maybe he's dubbing The video in Arabic. (none / 0) (#136)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:38:29 AM EST


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    Who is running the Romney no show (none / 0) (#138)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:51:31 AM EST
    How often do presidential campaigns make no public appearances. They canceled their Sunday public appearance and had none scheduled for yesterday or today.

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    Maybe his approval numbers go up (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:53:12 AM EST
    when he disappears himself?

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    Isn't working (none / 0) (#141)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 12:15:33 PM EST
    Romney has found a huge problem that he's not familiar with...he can't fire the voters and outsource the vote.

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    I'm expecting any minute now for (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Anne on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 12:30:57 PM EST
    him to have a total meltdown that involves him shouting, "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??? WHY don't you believe me?  I'm right, why don't you see that?  Can't anybody do anything right around here???  Is this what I get for hiring American???  Whoever's job that is - you're fired!  FIND ME SOMEONE WHO CAN MAKE THEM BELIEVE!!!  Ahhhh, who needs you anyway?  I have billions, BILLIONS, and you don't, none of you do, and you never will, never!!!  You'll be sorry one day, you just wait.  I know one thing...you won't have Mitt Romney to kick around anymore; you can all kiss my rich, white, Mormon ass!"

    It's on the way, I can feel it.

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    Would it be wrong of me (none / 0) (#143)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 12:59:53 PM EST
    to think Ann Romney may have already spoken some of these words in private?

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    LOL - not wrong, but I really don't want (none / 0) (#144)
    by Anne on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 01:30:24 PM EST
    to think about the Romneys' private life, do you?  I mean, do you think Ann Romney channels Joan Crawford behind closed doors?  Do you think Mitt whimpers?

    See?  That's just not somewhere we want to go...

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    That's pretty funny Anne (none / 0) (#147)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 04:07:10 PM EST
    and honestly I think you're right.  I'm not so "lucky" to have millionaire (EXCUSE ME multi-millionare) friends but I am getting a sense of what it would be like to hang out with them.

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    Re Jimmy Carter's grandson:@ (none / 0) (#140)
    by oculus on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 12:03:08 PM EST
    opposition researcher

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