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Friday Night Open Thread

Anyone have something to say? Our last open thread is full, here's a new one, all topics welcome.

I'm off to watch Senor de Los Cielos -- its ending next week, and will leave a big hole in my TV watching. It's as violent as ISIS, complete with decapitations, hand chopping, forced sex, kidnappings, torture, poisoning, murders of mothers, governors, children of rivals, even a priest. Everyone's corrupt, even the DEA guy. Who watches? Apparently millions of people, it's been renewed for a third season.

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    It is too serious... (5.00 / 7) (#3)
    by desertswine on Fri Sep 12, 2014 at 11:15:10 PM EST
    relax, here's some street art to enjoy.

    Wow (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 08:03:15 AM EST
    Some really great ones there!

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    Excellent (none / 0) (#6)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 08:04:29 AM EST
    Wow! (none / 0) (#53)
    by sj on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 03:40:06 PM EST
    Last night at San Francisco airport, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 12, 2014 at 11:35:03 PM EST
    TSA directed people who were not "pre check" into the pre check line to go through security. Leave on shoes and jackets, leave liquids and laptops in place. What is the point then of usually requiring passengers to remove these items?


    What's The Point? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 08:05:11 AM EST
    To make you feel safe....

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    Exactly (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Zorba on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 08:36:15 AM EST
    It's security theater.

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    My wife and son always get that pass (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Dadler on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 10:35:29 AM EST
    I, on the other hand, never do. So it goes in the Illusion of Security Theatre. Come on, if some people want to charge into the terminal with machine guns, they have hundreds of cattle penned up in those "security" lines waiting to be slaughtered. It's comical, if you really think about it. Well, comical and infuriating, since twenty-something congresscritters own stock in one of the biggest body-scan companies around, whose machines we are required to pass through at many airports.

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    They must not have been flying (none / 0) (#25)
    by nycstray on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:19:54 PM EST
    with dogs :P

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    Somehow makes me glad I don't need one (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 08:39:08 AM EST
    WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH GEEKED OUT OVER IPHONE 6′S NEW FEATURES, NON-GAYNESS

    Members of the Westboro Baptist Church typically hate everything and everyone: "f@gs," Joan Rivers (RIP), dead soldiers, bomb victims, the space shuttle Challenger, etc. But when it comes to the iPhone 6, they're just as guilty of fanboyism as the sinners they condemn. The fringe Christian group is in New York right now preaching God's love of hate and picketing media outlets, so it seemed like a perfect time to reach out and see what they think of Apple's latest gadget release. Their new leader Steve Drain explained WBC's position on the highly talked about smart phone in a brief email to ANIMAL:

    The iPhone 6 will allow us to preach to this sinful nation more effectively than the 5s! Bigger screen to see our signs more clearly - like `Repent or Perish' or `F@g Marriage Dooms Nations'! More people will mock our using of the phone, citing (incorrectly) a hypocrisy in using a device designed and marketed by a man whose funeral we picketed for his idolatry, then atheism, and adultery (Steve Jobs). Which device do you think our `Why Did God Destroy Sodom?' will display best on? iPhone6, Galaxy 5, or HTC? I bet the preaching will be effective, by God's hand, as viewed in all of them - don't you think?




    They crack me up (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 04:16:22 PM EST
    New NFL domestic violence case (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Dadler on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 10:33:08 AM EST
    Ugh. (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by nycstray on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 11:20:31 AM EST
    Later, he texted: "He got about five more pops than normal. He didn't drop one tear! ... He's tough as nails."

    I can't imagine what a 4yo could be doing to 'deserve' this kinda of punishment repeatedly . . .

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    I don't know what makes me feel sicker, (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by Anne on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 11:32:43 AM EST
    that it was "normal" for this kid to get "popped," or that he's bragging about the kid's toughness.

    Scares me that this is the kind of behavior that grooms a child into growing up to be someone who abuses children.

    Words really fail.

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    I'm with you on that (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by nycstray on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 11:40:56 AM EST
    but the 'tough' part has a slight edge. I just want to grab that little boy and give him a hug :(

    This has shades of Vick not understanding what's wrong with how he treated his dogs.

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    I got switched (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 05:09:19 PM EST
    Many times as a child.  But the skin was certainly never broken.   It never even really hurt that much.   It was more about the shame than the pain.  

    Clearly he uses a different approach than my mom.

    The story is sickening.

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    She used to make me (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 05:09:58 PM EST
    Go get the switch.  That was the worst part.

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    Hmmm (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 05:45:14 PM EST
    I sense people recoiling.  Don't.  My mother was a very gentle creature.  And I was a holy terror as a child.  Seriously.  What I described was when I was very young and was never even meant to inflict pain.

    Now, the beatings I got in middle and high school, the ones with the board three feet long, six inches wide with a hand grip and holes to cut down on air resistance,  those hurt.

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    So Recoil at the Beatings... (none / 0) (#130)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 09:21:49 AM EST
    ...later in life ?  Not sure what point you are making, you got beat, but deserved it, beatings aren't meant to hurt, and later in life you were beat with a 3 foot board with holes designed to make the board go faster by a gentle woman ?

    How could anyone recoil and not assume your mother was sadistic ?

    No offense, but as defined today, that is abuse, even in Texas.

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    I don't understand people who hit, slap, (none / 0) (#133)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 09:48:48 AM EST
    beat, switch, spank or otherwise inflict physical punishment on children - I mean, really, what does it teach them?  What does it teach the person inflicting it?

    How on earth does a child not learn that hitting's okay once you're an adult?  Are people who hit other people - especially children - people who were hit as children?  So, Adrian Peterson justifies what he did by saying that what he inflicts on his son is what was inflicted on him, but why would he think it was okay that he was subjected to it in the first place?  Why isn't his thought process, "I am never going to do to my kids what my parents did to me?"  I don't really get it.

    I don't understand inflicting emotional abuse, either, making people feel small and unworthy and unloved.  

    Some things just never make sense to me, and physical and emotional abuse are two of them.

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    Not defending what the man did (none / 0) (#137)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:12:07 AM EST
    Just pointing out that that is in fact how many of us were raised.   Would I do that if I had kids.  No.  

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    Btw (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:30:08 AM EST
    I can tell you that I have learned just from raising dogs that if you hit a dog that dog will never trust you again.    Fortunately I learned that long ago.

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    Makes me wonder how Peterson (none / 0) (#183)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:57:51 PM EST
    would treat an animal if that's how he treats his child.

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    Maybe I wasn't clear (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:09:47 AM EST
    Not the first time.  The "board" was used by the high school principle.  NOT my mother.  The swutchings by my mother, as I said, were not intended to inflict pain,  and they did not.  Obviously not the point of the horrific beating in the story.

    Both forms were completely accepted forms of punishment at the time.  I got beat once a week at school.

    I will resist rising to the bait of calling my mother a sadist.  

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    Probably should add (none / 0) (#142)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:18:59 AM EST
    I was never physically punished by my parents after about the age of 8-9.   Spanked never IMO ( you are entitled to your own) abused.

    At school, wayyyyy different story.   Still believe there was some issues other than my own at work there.  But that was a fact of life in public schools in many places at the time.

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    To be clear (none / 0) (#143)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:25:21 AM EST
    The school beatings continued right through the senior year.  
    Is some schools, not mine thank god, boys were required to drop their pants.

    As I said more issues at work than discipline IMO.


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    That Did Clear Things Up (none / 0) (#170)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:14:47 PM EST
    It's odd to me that this was used in high school, where presumably, some students are 18.

    We never had that, at home or at school.  But a guy who picked on me mercilessly, including physical punishment, had a brother who was tight with my brother.  My brother told me tales of how the guy who picked on my was beat fairly regularly by his dad with... I can't remember now, but something that made me cringe and something I had never heard as being used.

    It's when I realized that violence against children only promotes violence against other people.  My brother also told me that his friend was never beat, only the older brother, which made sense at the time in that his friend was a nice person.

    But now I wondered, what came first, the jacka$$ who tormented kids younger than him, or did the beatings make him that way.

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    Your last paragraph reminded me that, (none / 0) (#184)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:06:39 PM EST
    despite the many restrictions on female students in jr. hi and h.s., there was the obvious benefit. We were nover ordered to grab our ankles b

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    Can't imagine cuz there IS nothing... (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Dadler on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:25:32 PM EST
    ...he could have been doing to justify it. Just a sickness, the repeating of the cycle of child abuse.

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    Being spanked as a child isn't such a bad thing (none / 0) (#29)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:29:32 PM EST
    look how James turned out.

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    Who? (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Dadler on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:41:12 PM EST
    I hope this was snark, but, to make my view clear, when you lacerate a child like a master did to slaves, you are not disciplining them but committing a violent crime. And anyone who says getting battered was the reason they turned out so well has neither a full and mature understanding of themselves nor a healthy idea of what so well means in that deeply psychological context.

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    Yes, it was 200 proof snark. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:50:44 PM EST
    For something like that, you should use (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by nycstray on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 01:00:52 PM EST
    a snark tag, just to be clear.

    snark tag =  /s

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    What it was is a (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 03:11:01 PM EST
    perfect example of baiting via a nasty personal insult.

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    Nobody can deny (none / 0) (#64)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 05:46:40 PM EST
    your mastery of baiting here, James.  :-)

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    If not full disclosure, (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:46:43 PM EST
    how about a peak?  The Nation describes a parade of retired generals advocating for aggressive military action against ISIS, bombing in Syria, and, even, boots on the ground, offer their military expertise of yesteryear and somehow neglect to provide their military-industrial board room experiences of today.  

    For instance, General (ret) Zinni has been all over the teevee calling for ground troop deployment in the thousands (or sometimes called advisers, boots and bootless); General (ret) Keane another frequent teevee flyer runs a "think tank," Institute for Study of War, which he oversees with William Kristol (who, if there was a prize for errors and misjudgments would hold the Nobel) and Liz Cheney (who is, well, Liz Cheney).  

    These experts should not be shy. They should include their present day financial interests.  In fact, it may just bolster their expert opinions in that military contractors and outfits with defense holdings are willing to pay them handsomely.  

    Potentially good news in Georgia (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by NYShooter on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 03:13:44 PM EST
    Democratic leaders, realizing that Georgia has 700/800,000 unregistered black voters have begun a large voter registration drive. And, in a very short time, 85,000 have filed registration applications. Good news, right?

    Not if you're the scum bag, Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp.

    On Tuesday, Kemp--a Republican--said his office was investigating allegations of voter fraud from the New Georgia Project, following complaints about voter applications submitted by the group.

    Here we go again.

    To Protect and Serve (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 04:37:08 PM EST
    Some of West Virginia's Finest in action against a man with Huntington's Disease

    He should feel lucky that he didn't have the family dog with him.

    To Protect and Serve, Part II: (5.00 / 5) (#100)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 04:40:59 PM EST
    Actress Daniele Watts, who starred in Quentin Tarantino's "D'Jango Unchained," was unlawfully detained and handcuffed by LAPD in Studio City yesterday while out on a walk with her husband, upon her refusal to show identification when stopped.

    It seems that a fine, upstanding local citizen called the cops when he or she saw Watts (who is black) kiss her husband (who is white) in public, and thus mistook her for a prostitute. Hey, who knew? Anyone can make that mistake, right?

    What's also outrageous is the fact that thus far in their coverage of this incident, the media have heretofore described Watts' husband as merely "her companion," and have not identified him as her spouse. (Not just the L.A. Times; KABC-TV News, too.)

    Oy. Oy and oy again.

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    She Was Handcuffed... (none / 0) (#131)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 09:36:21 AM EST
    ...because, unlike her husband, she refused to identify herself, and refused to show ID.

    They (husband and wife) were making out in a car, in a parking lot, and some idiot thought they were engaged in sex, so the police were investigating.

    I am not a fan of the police and I find it hard to believe they actually investigate calls about suspected screwing in a car, but we all know, when they show up, for what ever reason, and ask who you are, refusing is about the dumbest path one can choose.  Once she decided to show ID, they released her.

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    You are under no obligation... (5.00 / 4) (#132)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 09:47:20 AM EST
    to show ID if you've broken no law.  Her totally justified lack of cooperation does not excuse the police behavior.

    I know what you're saying, and it's good advice for self-preservation...but all it does is enable unacceptable police behavior and practices.  

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    And the police will argue that (none / 0) (#136)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:10:01 AM EST
    they are merely comparing the ID to a lists of W&W's....

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    Pretty Sure the Cops... (none / 0) (#175)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:38:10 PM EST
    ...didn't get that memo since that is always the very first thing they ask for.

    Your belief doesn't really make sense in that cops don't determine if you committed a crime, that is done in court, which would be very hard to do if people did not have to identify themselves until after it is known (guilty verdict or confession) if they committed a crime.

    What you are stating is identifying yourself to the police is an admission of guilt.  Brilliant.

    What about victims and witnesses ?  Do they have to commit crimes in order for the police to get their contact info ?

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    Just because they ask, doesn't mean (5.00 / 3) (#182)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:55:48 PM EST
    the person being asked has to comply.

    When asked for ID, you are perfectly within your rights to ask, "am I under arrest," and then ask, "are you detaining me?"  Followed by "am I free to go?"

    I believe this was demonstrated quite vividly a year or two ago, when people recorded themselves being stopped and asked to prove they were citizens.  

    The problem is - and it's getting to be more of a problem than ever - police seem to believe that a uniform and a badge entitle them to ignore your rights and treat you any old way they want to.

    Whatever happened to simply talking with people ("we had a report that you and this man were having sex in the vehicle."  "Is that against the law, and are you arresting me?"  "No, we simply wanted to talk with you about it in order to address the citizen complaint.")

    And so on.  Now, maybe there comes a point where it makes sense for the police to ask for an ID, but why does it have to be the first thing they ask?  If someone isn't being arrested, why does it matter who they are?  Why should the police need that information?  In case they can stumble upon the crime of the century?

    What happens if you're not doing anything wrong, haven't done anything wrong, but you have the same name as someone who has or did, and all of a sudden, producing your ID on demand makes you "that guy," and gets you chewed up in the system until you can find some way to extricate yourself?

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    Not To Mention (none / 0) (#187)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:12:36 PM EST
    Black people are treated worse than white people by the police.

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    Victims and witnesses... (none / 0) (#186)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:11:19 PM EST
    are also under no such obligation to produce identification.  Unless they wish to file a complaint or a statement.  Unless you are driving, you don't have to produce ID unless the police have a reasonable suspicion you have committed a crime, at which time they can detain or arrest and demand ID.  But not without "reasonable suspicion".

    Cops sure do determine whether a crime has been committed, that's how they arrest you...it's the courts that determine if there is enough evidence to prosecute (grand jury) and guilt or innocence (trial by jury).

    All in theory of course, in practice cops can do whatever the hell they want...they have the badge and gun.

    Not producing ID has saved my from a summons before...the two friends I was with got served for open containers, but since I had no ID on me the cop couldn't write me up.  I could have been arrested at that point since I couldn't/wouldn't produce ID, but the cops chose not to, I guess they were content with racking up two summonses towards that month's quota.  

    Parent

    Well now, details starting to emerge. (none / 0) (#176)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:39:30 PM EST
    A) The Director's Guild staff members who called the police saw them having sex in the front seat of the car with the door open.

    2) Daniele identifies Lucas as her boyfriend.

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    Garlic soup (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 01:55:17 PM EST
    for lunch

    Wonderful.

    No vampires here tonight.

    Yum!!! (none / 0) (#95)
    by squeaky on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 02:09:27 PM EST
    Pope perfhorms marriage ceremonies, (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 06:56:52 PM EST
    including couples who are co-habiting and couples with children:

    NYT

    From Digby (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 06:32:13 AM EST
    Tales of the police state

    I can't even add anything, except to wonder how many times a day this goes on. I am just sorry somehow we have let this happen to our country.

    Thank you MO Blue (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 03:34:45 PM EST
    for your kind thoughts. When your family is as large as mine there is generally some sort of drama going on. Some situations are more difficult than others. But we are a pretty close family so we spread the pain as well the joy.

    I do (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 12, 2014 at 10:29:02 PM EST
    It's  way to freakin serious here.   If you doubt huskies talk WATCH THIS

    I make mine do this at meal time.  I always make them argue with me for their supper.  It's probably mean but it cracks me up every time.

    Also (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 12, 2014 at 10:39:21 PM EST
    Today was the coldest Sept 12th on record here.  Two days ago there was a heat advisory.   Welcome to the new order.

    Palin brawl witness ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 08:10:06 AM EST
    ... reportedly fired after going public.

    Plus, more details on the fight.

    Citing anonymous sources, Coyne claimed the fight began when Track Palin confronted his younger sister Willow's former boyfriend, Conner Cleary. A fight broke out and Cleary's father tried to break it up, she wrote. Todd Palin jumped into the fight and began choking the father.

    Host Korey Klingenmeyer then told the family to leave the party, Thompson told Coyne. That's when Bristol Palin hit the host, Thompson said.

    "Bristol just reached back and started clocking him," Thompson told "Good Morning America," saying the eldest Palin daughter struck Klingenmeyer at least six times.

    "I was thoroughly amazed at the restraint Korey showed. He's a total (gentleman)," Thompson told Coyne.

    The Palin Palooza (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 02:00:07 PM EST
    was unpatriotic adding tensions to an already strained relationship with Russia.  After all, Putin can see them from his house.

    Parent
    That would explain (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 06:01:12 PM EST
    Why he is so grouchy.

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    Getting a little punchy (none / 0) (#9)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 08:22:32 AM EST
    "Bristol just reached back and started clocking him," Thompson told "Good Morning America," saying the eldest Palin daughter struck Klingenmeyer at least six times.

    I have a question for the "you never hit a woman" media:

    At what point are you allowed to hit a woman????

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    You never hit a woman (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 09:43:32 AM EST
    Period.

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    Agreed. (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:05:24 PM EST
    And if a woman assaults you physically, you call the police, and if necessary you file charges against her. And if you see an adult physically abuse a child, or a younger person abuse an elderly person, you do the same. Call the police. And be prepared to follow through and testify as to what you witnessed, if need be.

    Nobody has any business inflicting physical violence upon anyone, regardless of the perceived provocation.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    And if she has a knife and manages to (none / 0) (#23)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:13:09 PM EST
    stab you, what then?  Hope the cops are up on their CPR technique when they come across your unconscious, bleeding body?

    Parent
    So . . . you should go ahead and deck a woman (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by nycstray on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:18:53 PM EST
    because she might have a knife?

    What would be more effective, would be for the guy to press charges against Palin.

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    I'm saying that if you're physically attacked (none / 0) (#27)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:25:29 PM EST
    by a man, woman, or Klingon, you have the right to deck them if that's the only way to stop them from wailing on you like you're a drum.

    What Ray Rice did to his now-wife certainly wasn't in self-defense, as she couldn't cause him any physical harm unless she used some sort of weapon aside from her feet and fists.

    Capiche, folks?

    Parent

    Obviously, a life-threatening situation ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:58:53 PM EST
    ... is an obvious exception to the general rule.  But that said, if and when there is an avenue of retreat immediately available, you walk away from a potentially violent confrontation and don't court it.

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    Thats all well and good in theory (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:47:49 PM EST
    but as the perennial defenders of police brutality will tell you, these situations often move at lightening speed and adrenaline and fight-or-flight responses very quickly come into play.

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    I think that one can usually tell ... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 01:10:15 PM EST
    ... if and when a given situation shows the potential to escalate into a potential confrontation. Physical violence is rarely a random and spontaneous occurrence, especially at a social gathering such as a house party.

    If you perchance find yourself in just such a given situation, the general rule is that you seek to diffuse it by walking away, and you don't contribute to the tension by standing your ground and courting your fate. Discretion is the better side of valor.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    Except in self-defense (none / 0) (#16)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 11:10:13 AM EST
    Ask Ray Price (1.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:04:48 PM EST
    about that...

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    Except what he did wasn't (none / 0) (#22)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:10:37 PM EST
    in self-defense, it was brutality, pure and simple.

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    Absolutely (1.00 / 1) (#30)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:33:39 PM EST
    But his excuse...see the video is that she was attacking him..and he was drinking... etc etc etc

    You never hit a woman....who is smaller than you.

    He could have just wrapped his arms around her and held her close.

    Parent

    I believe Rice's wife is actually taller (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by nycstray on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:58:19 PM EST
    than him. That punch he threw would have knocked out a man.

    Parent
    Not sure (none / 0) (#49)
    by ragebot on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 02:37:51 PM EST
    if the punch KOed Rice's wife or if her hitting her head on the railing on the side of the elevator did it.  I saw some reports that that was the case.

    Not that this excuses what Rice did, just saying the punch itself may have not been responsible for the KO.

    Parent

    I was blaming the punch (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by nycstray on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 04:06:32 PM EST
    because of the effect caused by the force :) It was enough to put her and her head in motion at a force (?) that caused a serious impact.

    I can say, I think that punch would have laid lil' ol' me out.


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    Yes, you're (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Zorba on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 04:17:13 PM EST
    right about one thing.  It doesn't excuse what Rice did, in any way, shape, or form.
    Nor what he did after she was unconscious.

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    You hit back anyone who is an immediate (none / 0) (#31)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:37:16 PM EST
    physical threat to you, which, as I stated, wasn't the case when Mrs. Rice hit and spat on her then-fiance.

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    Exactly. (none / 0) (#36)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:52:34 PM EST
    Now I'm just confused. Is it ... (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 01:35:17 PM EST
    1.  You never hit a woman.
    2.  You never hit a woman....who is smaller than you.
    or
    3)  You hit back anyone who is an immediate physical threat to you?

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    Dumb... (none / 0) (#144)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:28:33 AM EST
    ...the fact there are men out there that are confused about this is beyond pathetic.

    Step one, don't go out with people who carry knives.  Step two, take the punches and stop acting like your women is Mike Tyson.  Step three, leave at the first sign of violent psychosis.

    This scenario where a woman appears out of nowhere with a knife is beyond dumb.  And not sure how going for the knife is secondary to punching her lights out.

    It's like some guys are sitting up at night trying to figure a scenario in which knocking out there woman would be justified.  Surely they exist, but is it really necessary to try to devise one ?

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    Patrick Stewart (none / 0) (#195)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:47:23 PM EST
    gave an impassioned and wonderful speech about domestic violence at, of all places,  
    Comicpalooza 2013.
    A great talk, and worth listening to.


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    Sexist Much? (none / 0) (#52)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 03:21:08 PM EST
    Who do you hit?

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    Unless you are cornered and in ... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:53:29 PM EST
    ... a potentially life-threatening situation, you should retreat from a violent confrontation and don't further contribute to it.

    And per Anchorage bloggers Amanda Coyne and Gryphen, that's what Korey Klingenmeyer -- the owner of the house where the party and brawl took place -- tried to do.

    Apparently, there was a lot of drinking at this house party, and according to an eyewitness, Track Palin initiated a physical confrontation with a former high school boyfriend of younger sister Willow, and he was asked to leave by the host. Bristol Palin then confronted and assaulted the host, who tried to retreat, and then father Todd Palin jumped into the fray.

    So, it wasn't just that the Palin family was merely "present" during the brawl, as was disingenuously reported at first by the Anchorage Police Dept. and relayed by some sources. Rather, several family members look to have been front and center in the mayhem, and were perhaps its instigators as well.

    The case is still under investigation by Anchorage authorities, and if the story gains traction in the "lamestream" media, those same family might consider themselves fortunate if they aren't subsequently arrested and charged with aggravated assault and disorderly conduct.

    Aloha.

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    How do you retreat when you are out in the open (none / 0) (#40)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:59:36 PM EST
    on the street?  Run, and hope that you're faster than your attacker?

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    Now you're just being ridiculous. (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 01:20:08 PM EST
    Yes, you try to leave.

    But hey, if you want to stand your ground and go mano a mano, then be my guest. That's how Mother Nature culls the herd of the weak-minded, nonsensical and stupid.

    Aloha.

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    Isn't that what Michael Brown tried to do? (4.50 / 2) (#46)
    by Anne on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 01:55:15 PM EST
    Problem was, his attacker had a gun and was wearing a uniform.

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    He was in a no-win situation (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by nycstray on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 01:59:01 PM EST
    His 'attacker' was also professionally trained . . .

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    Well, his 'attacker' (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Zorba on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 04:20:32 PM EST
    was supposed to have been "professionally trained."
    But apparently not professionally trained quite well enough to know how to deal with people, with such situations, and what an appropriate level of force is.

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    Yes, it was. (none / 0) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 12:27:25 PM EST
    And that's why Michael Brown's death should be ruled a non-justifiable homicide, and prosecuted accordingly. I'm not saying that Darren Wilson is necessarily guilty; rather, I'm contending that there's probably more than enough evidence to warrant the case going to trial.

    All I was saying above is that whenever you have an opportunity to diffuse a potentially dangerous situation by retreating from the scene, it's in your best interests -- and everyone else's, too, for that matter -- that you should do so. Because at that point, the stakes have been raised well above and beyond merely winning an argument.

    Remember, both our graveyards and our prisons have lots of residents who once stood their ground because they were adamant that they were right.

    Aloha.

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    If true, the victim should file assault charges (none / 0) (#12)
    by Angel on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 09:01:11 AM EST
    against Bristol Palin.  

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    I agree, but he may be (none / 0) (#26)
    by nycstray on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 12:21:23 PM EST
    thinking it's not worth it against that bunch. . . (if she did do this, that is . . .)

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    I was wondering (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 06:06:06 PM EST
    If that might not be the reason the person Zimmerman threatened to kill the other day did not press charges.  No doubt in either case the person pressing charges would get death threats.  Both are heroes of the people who do that kind of thing.

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    Anyone lucky enough (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 01:00:31 PM EST
    To see the auroras last night ?

    Not where I live (none / 0) (#70)
    by sj on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 06:49:04 PM EST
    I hope to see sometime in my lifetime.

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    Can't remember where you are (none / 0) (#71)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 07:14:28 PM EST
    I remember seeing them once when I was about 12-13.  Middle of the night my dad came in and woke me up.  I remember I though the house was on fire or something.  Dragged us out side.  He was very excited.  Unforgettable.
    That was my one time.

    That was about 20 miles from where I now sit in AR.

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    Denver (none / 0) (#73)
    by sj on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 09:16:52 PM EST
    Even if they were visible this far south the light pollution of city life would obscure them.

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    Don't know how much (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 09:42:05 PM EST
    of a difference city lights would make to visibility.  Even in my tiny town there is more night light than I would like.  No street lights around me but lots of people have those giant outside lights that are just like streetligts.  I hate those.

    None of that when I was a kid.  We were way out in the country with no artificial light once the porch light was turned off.

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    Not since 2003 (none / 0) (#96)
    by ragebot on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 02:27:36 PM EST
    Probably the largest solar storm in my life time.  Auroras were visible in central Florida when I was at the Chiefland Star Party

    For many of the astronomers there this was a once in a lifetime chance to see auroras.

    But the largest solar storm (in recorded history) and associated auroras occurred in 1859, the Carrington Event.  Auroras were visible in Kingston, Jamaica and Hawaii.  Not sure if Donald was around then or not.

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    This was taken near (none / 0) (#107)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 07:19:12 PM EST
    Frenchmans Bay  In Maine

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    More (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 07:21:33 PM EST
    Oscar's other girlfriends (none / 0) (#59)
    by Uncle Chip on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 04:47:03 PM EST
    Killer and a love rat: Oscar Pistorius exposed as 'serial cheat who had affairs behind Reeva Steenkamp's back during their stormy relationship'

    So now that the trial is over it comes out.

    Is it any mystery what they might have been arguing about that night???

    That doesn't surprise me. (none / 0) (#76)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 10:20:53 PM EST
    Strictly my opinion, but Oscar Pistorius strikes me as emotionally stunted, with a strong hedonistic streak and a towering ego. For guys like that in their 20s, serial relationships come with the territory. Further, while they generally don't like their women to fool around on them, they tend to not hold themselves to the same standard.

    But from my experience, most self-respecting women usually catch on to that modus operandi in fairly short order and move on. At some point, the relationships become reduced to nothing more than a series of "booty calls" with like-minded women who are seeking the same thing.

    Eventually, guys like that will either grow up and hop off the merry-go-round of empty sexual encounters, or they'll find ourselves quite alone as they age. Because what was considered cool behavior when a guy is is 25, starts to look really immature 20 to 25 years later if you're still doing the same thing.

    Aloha.

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    I think that came out during the trial (none / 0) (#80)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 05:30:38 AM EST
    that's how the judge knew to describe her as a jilted lover. she mentioned they broke up because of his infidelity.

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    Motive? (none / 0) (#82)
    by Uncle Chip on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 08:11:50 AM EST
    Well then wouldn't that then go to motive -- the motive for both the argument that preceded the shooting and the motive for the shooting itself -- the motive that the judge said by her ruling that was not there???

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    It might, were it backed up by evidence. (none / 0) (#90)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 12:43:24 PM EST
    But not necessarily. And in this particular case, were Oscar Pistorius and Reeva Steenkamp indeed arguing loudly as some witnesses contended at trial, we really have no means of ascertaining the argument's subject matter, because the deceased is quite obviously dead and the accused has a right to not bear witness against himself in open court.

    Therefore, any contention on our part that Pistorius killed his girlfriend in a fit of rage is purely speculative, and as such, it can't speak to the accused's motive because like hearsay, rank conjecture is inadmissible as evidence in court.

    Aloha.

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    Why is it necessary to (none / 0) (#93)
    by NYShooter on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 01:53:56 PM EST
    "ascertain" the argument's subject?

    people shoot other people for reasons other than unrequited love.

    Like I said in another post, the prosecution's case had, by necessity, to be one of stringing together circumstantial evidence, producing a narrative that a "rational/reasonable man" would find to be compelling. And, a loud argument followed by one of the participants killing the other shouldn't be discarded simply because we don't have a video.

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    ... in court, it was pretty clear that the neighbors didn't necessarily agree as to whether or not there was a loud argument emanating from the Pistorius home, or who or if anyone screamed, etc., because someone heard something and interpreted it as one thing, while another heard something else and thought another thing.

    That's why Judge Masipa ultimately determined most of the neighbors' testimony to be unreliable, because they were simply too far away to ascertain definitely what happened or what they heard. Instead, she and her colleagues relied on the established timeline based on phone and technology records.

    I'd refer you to the Pistorius threads, because I'm not going to recount everything again. Once was enough.

    Aloha.

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    Something beautiful... (none / 0) (#62)
    by lentinel on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 05:16:13 PM EST
    This girl, 10 years old, sang in front of a "jury" of sorts in a French version of "The Voice". It is making the rounds of Youtube.

    I found it moving and I'm wondering if anyone else here would too.

    Here is a link:

    Carla

    Cute kid (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 06:09:22 PM EST
    Great voice

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    My command of French is (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by sj on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 06:48:09 PM EST
    limited to "bon jour", "merci", "au revoir" and "merde" so I have no idea what the song is really about, but you're right. Her voice was so soulful that I was moved nearly as much as the judges.

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    Hahaha (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 07:15:58 PM EST
    I was moved nearly as much as the judges..
     the French loooooove the french..  I was a little grossed out by the love fest myself.. but I guess I am prejudiced.

    IMO, If you were moved anywhere close to the judges you must have some french blood somewhere in you...


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    I didn't (none / 0) (#78)
    by lentinel on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 03:40:18 AM EST
    understand the words either, but her sincerity, originality, and intensity was very moving to me. And her sound.

    I'm glad you liked it.

    Some beauty in a world gone nuts.

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    World Gone Nuts (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by squeaky on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 09:42:17 AM EST
    Beauty is abundant, but for some it is apparently rare because they are most interested in focusing on a world gone nuts.

    That is nuts, imo.

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    squeaky: Applause (2.00 / 1) (#108)
    by christinep on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 07:21:24 PM EST
    And a hearty "hear, hear" for that sentiment!

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    Really? (none / 0) (#151)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:59:34 AM EST
    That's what you got out of that comment?

    Oy

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    What Did You Get Out of the Comment? (none / 0) (#153)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:04:32 AM EST
    Do you think that the world has gone nuts?

    Do you think that beauty is scarce?

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    Is it possible she was responding to (4.00 / 1) (#197)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:54:39 PM EST
    her sincerity, originality, and intensity was very moving to me. And her sound.

    I don't understand why you would choose to interpret sj's comment the way you did - are we now supposed to specify to which part of someone's comment we're responding?   Is there something wrong with appreciating beauty whenever and wherever we see it?  I don't know what you do with your days - not much, it seems - but most of us don't have the luxury of living contemplative lives all the time.  We have jobs and we commute back and forth in traffic, and we have families and obligations that sometimes prevent us from seeing the beauty that's around us.

    Would that you spent as much time seeing the beauty - or at least the positive - in some of the things that get posted and said here, instead of homing in like a heat-seeking missile on the people you clearly don't like and finding new ways to rip them.  It's not like people haven't tried reaching out to you, but apparently, to you the extended hand is just something to snap and bite at.

    Honestly, it's just too hard to have any kind of conversation with you around; if you're not failing to read the entirety of someone's comment, or ignoring specific references to the person's opinion, or qualifiers, you're finding the most negative thing you think you're seeing and you clamp down and never let go.  And then blame us when we object to having clear comments be poorly interpreted and mangled beyond recognition.

    If you can read a recipe, and can cook, why is all of this so hard for you?  Do you not want to converse - do you just want to pick and bicker and get something started?

    Jesus, you're as bad as jim.

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    Huh? (1.00 / 1) (#201)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 02:28:45 PM EST
    I don't understand why you would choose to interpret sj's comment the way you did - are we now supposed to specify to which part of someone's comment we're responding?

    I respond to the entire comment, as I did and sj asked if that is what I got from the comment...  

    The entire comment was mired in a world gone nuts.

    As for beauty, who does appreciate beauty whenever and wherever they see it? That is a given..   beauty in the eye of the beholder by definition means that those who see beauty appreciate it.

    As for the world gone nuts, part of the comment it suggests that the world has gone nuts and we find respite in the beauty..

    When was the world not nuts? It is a POV that lentinel appears to have which is looking at the gloom and doom the majority of time, at least here at TL.

    Is it nostalgia for a better time. The world has always been nuts and perfectly sane always, and it depends on your focus as to which one it is.

    As for beauty, it is everywhere all the time, at your lousy job, on your lousy commute, everywhere, you just have to be open to it.

    Honestly, it's just too hard to have any kind of conversation with you around;

    Really Anne of so many many words? Maybe you would find it easier to have conversations here if you made less verbose comments that must take you a lot of time, and less time for your conversations.

    As bad a jim...?  well you are no cupcake either, Anne.

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    That beauty is to be cherished (none / 0) (#158)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:33:35 AM EST
    Wherever and whenever it's found.

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    AHhahaha (none / 0) (#168)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:09:16 PM EST
    Cherrypicking...  not surprised with your dishonest answer.

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    Oy (none / 0) (#181)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:51:21 PM EST
    As if you didn't do some cherry picking of your very own.

    I don't know why I bother taking any of your comments seriously.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#189)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:17:47 PM EST
    Some beauty in a world gone nuts

    means to you:

    That beauty is to be cherished Wherever and whenever it's found.

    hhahahahahaha

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    Dude or dudette (4.00 / 2) (#191)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:24:57 PM EST
    You may not have noticed but your hahahahaha-ing is getting maniacal. Is that cyclic?

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    Yes (none / 0) (#192)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:27:45 PM EST
    Quite cyclical..  good catch!

    follow the cycles of Ha ha Ha Ha Ha and eventually you get to HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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    You're right, MO Blue (none / 0) (#193)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:37:02 PM EST
    I was out of line. But my nerves are rubbed raw right now by having to deal with a relative on the extreme side of that particular cycle. With her, sometimes it helps her manage a bit when it's pointed out. But since I don't really think it will help her squeakiness, there was no point in saying anything at all.

    It's just really, really hard on everybody around.

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    Was initially confused by your comment (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 02:20:49 PM EST
    and now notice that somehow I down rated your comment.

    Not sure how the down rating occurred since I did not intend to give it any rating at all. Can't say I'm a fan of comments that ascribe mental health issues to others on a blog whether it is telling them they are going off the deep end, off their meds or getting maniacal even when that commenter is known to use that type of verbiage.  Since I can't remove the rating entirely, I will leave it where it is as it is not particularly positive or negative.

    I am sorry that you are having to deal with a relative that is in that cycle. It is not easy. An extremely stressful position to be in. Accept my hopes and prayers that it your relative moves quickly into a more even cycle.

     

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    Nostalgic? (1.00 / 1) (#85)
    by squeaky on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:03:56 AM EST
    Nostalgic for a time when the world was not nuts?

    Wonder when that was?

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    Too French For Me (none / 0) (#68)
    by squeaky on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 06:33:52 PM EST
    Milk toast compared to this 11 year old... bianca ryan..

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    The original is sung by Zaz. (none / 0) (#75)
    by vml68 on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 10:16:26 PM EST
    It is one of my favorites. I can't link right now but it is easily found on youtube.

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    Final: Boston College 37, No. 9 USC 31. (none / 0) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 13, 2014 at 11:27:01 PM EST
    The Trojans were vaulted six places into the Top 10 on the basis of a sloppy 13-10 win over an underperforming Stanford team that really should've won that one. Today's loss to the Eagles wasn't necessarily as close as the final score might otherwise indicate; USC jumped to a quick 17-6 lead in the 2nd quarter, then did a face plant the rest of the game.

    Can we please get some college football polls with voters that aren't bandwagon-hopping fanboys who value name recognition and program pedigree over actual team performance?

    The same fanboys -- who obviously loves them some Trojans -- saw fit to drop current No. 12 UCLA four spots and out of the Top Ten after a closer-than-expected 28-20 road win at Virginia the first week of the season -- a victory that now looks a whole lot better after the Cavaliers upset No. 21 Louisville, 23-21.

    Today, after losing Heisman hopeful QB Jerry Hundley to an elbow injury in the first quarter, UCLA coach Jim Mora was forced to insert senior reserve QB Jerry Neuheisel -- his predecessor's son -- into the game against Texas.

    After a workmanlike performance through the first three quarters, Neuheisel caught fire late, throwing two TD passes to lead the Bruins to a 20-17 come-from-behind victory over the Longhorns. For his efforts, he was carried off the field on the shoulders of his ecstatic teammates.

    UCLA's offense definitely needs some work, but after three games, the Bruin defense is arguably the fiercest in the Pac-12. If that offense starts clicking, look out.

    Other Associated Press Top 25 results (including two partial scores):

    • No. 2 Oregon 48, Wyoming 14
    • No. 3 Alabama 52, Southern Mississippi 12
    • No. 4, Oklahoma 34, Tennessee 10
    • No. 24 South Carolina 38, No. 6 Georgia 35
    • No. 7 Texas A&M 38, Rice 10 (4th Q)
    • No. 10 LSU 31, Louisiana-Monroe 0
    • No. 11 Notre Dame 30, Purdue 14
    • No. 14 Mississippi 56, Louisiana-Lafayette 15
    • No. 15 Stanford 35, Army 0
    • No. 16 Arizona State 31, Colorado 14 (3rd Q)
    • East Carolina 28, No. 17 Virginia Tech 21
    • No. 20 Missouri 38, Central Florida 10
    • No. 22 Ohio State 66, Kent State 0
    • No. 25 Brigham Young 33, Houston 25

    Aloha.

    Correction: (none / 0) (#79)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 04:04:36 AM EST
    UCLA backup QB Jerry Neuheisel is a sophomore, not a senior.

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    Donald, I see your alma mater (none / 0) (#81)
    by fishcamp on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 07:23:06 AM EST
    University of Washington stopped Illinois 44 to 19, I think it was. Hopefully you liked Oregon's green uniforms more than last week's yellow ones.  How about that flying Hawaiian?  I think he was reprimanded for that leaping flight.

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    As well Marcus Mariota should have been. (none / 0) (#91)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 01:08:26 PM EST
    That aerial somersault into the end zone was wholly unnecessary and reckless. The thing about broken ribs and vertebrae is that it only has to happen once for you to be out for the season, or worse. But hey, that stunt is also reflective of his age. When I played baseball in college, I used to showboat, too, whenever I did good.

    But I also remember that I once broke my right foot in high school, not by showboating, but rather by the simple act of rounding first base on an extra-base hit and stepping on the bag wrong. Sometimes, it's not unnecessary risks, but inattention to the mundane routine of everyday life, which can serve to trip us up.

    Aloha.

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    I always worry about QBs running (none / 0) (#97)
    by ragebot on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 02:47:59 PM EST
    Mariota going airborne was risky but he probably took less of a risk than Winston in his run for a TC where he hurdled a tackler, side stepped another tackler, and then was hit close to the goal line and fumbled the ball right after crossing the goal line, at least according to the officials.  Most impressive run I have seen by a QB so far this season.

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    Six California's (none / 0) (#83)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 09:10:18 AM EST
    Tossed off the ballot

    The proposal to divide California into six states failed to make it onto the 2016 ballot, California's secretary of state office said Friday.

    The measure required about 807,000 signatures to quality, and despite proponents turning in more than 1 million signatures earlier this summer, a random sample conducted by counties found that not enough signatures were valid to meet the threshold to qualify.

    Venture capitalist Tim Draper, the billionaire behind the proposal, spent $5.2 million to try to get the proposal on the ballot while opponents spent $10,000.



    Wonder what he spent the 5.2 mil on? (none / 0) (#88)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 11:45:26 AM EST
    This never reached the radar in my neck of the woods . . .

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    I'll bet that at least $2M was spent ... (none / 0) (#92)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 01:17:30 PM EST
    ... on companies that make their money at least in part by gathering voters' signatures for public initiatives and referendums. Most of the rest od that amount probably found its way into the pockets of overpriced and underperforming political consultants.

    Personally, I consider Tim Draper -- who's the "Six Californias" initiative's sponsor -- to be a nouveau riche fool who clearly has way too much time on his hands. And of course, per the old saying, a fool and his money are soon parted.

    Aloha.

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    Given that the best government is a government (none / 0) (#140)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:15:08 AM EST
    that has the closet and most representatives of the people then a bunch of smaller states would be much better than one large one.

    I mean 6 Senators instead of 2...

    And "random samples" do not meet what I consider to be an acceptable review of the signatures validity.

    Sounds to me like a "good ole boy" method of keeping the status quo.

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    Hilarious !!! (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:57:57 AM EST
    One word, gerrymandering.

    Too funny to read about a republican who believes in fairness when it comes to drawing representative lines.

    For the record, sampling is a scientific field, statistics.  And I am positive you would not object to sampling had the results been the ones you wanted.

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    Let me correct you (none / 0) (#163)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:52:09 AM EST
    one more time.

    1. I am not a Republican.

    2. My concern is not Scientific Sampling. Fake scientific sampling is.


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    Several big states have a problem (none / 0) (#166)
    by ragebot on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:00:14 PM EST
    with large numbers of voters that don't make up a majority in the state de facto having no representation.  CA may well have millions of conservative voters unrepresented because there are millions more liberal voters.

    Same is true for FL, NY, TX, and lots of other states.

    Nationally historical voting patterns have been more or less 50-50 conservative and liberal.  Even the great landslides like LBJ and Nixon have never been much more than 60-40 for the winner.

    If anything the current state borders are a classic example of gerrymandering.  

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#172)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:16:54 PM EST
    That 4 of the 6 senators would likely be to the Left seems to have escaped Scott.

    And to your list we can WA, IL and CO as states that are unbalanced.

    WA and IL would be easy to adjust. CO not so much.

    Many other states have large urban centers that vote Democratic... TN with Memphis, Nashville and Knoxville... OH with Cleveland and Cincinnati are but two examples.

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    Oh, please! That's rubbish. (none / 0) (#202)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 02:46:14 PM EST
    ragebot: "CA may well have millions of conservative voters unrepresented because there are millions more liberal voters."

    For the better part of the 20th century, California was a predominantly Republican state. When I was born in Pasadena in 1961, Los Angeles County was still primarily GOP in its political orientation.

    Even 20 years ago, California Republicans occupied the governor's office and six of the seven other statewide offices, controlled both houses of the California State Legislature, and held 30 of the state's 54 U.S. House congressional districts.

    Fast forward to today, when they control none of the eight statewide offices and hold only 26 of 80 State Assembly seats, 12 of 40 State Senate seats, and 14 of the 54 House congressional seats.

    With the exception of Bakersfield, Fresno, Orange County and San Diego, Republicans are hardly competitive in the state's major urban areas anymore -- and even in those four areas, what was once absolute GOP dominance is now more or less a 50/50 proposition. Democrats even comprise a two-thirds majority on the San Diego City Council, a notion that was practically unthinkable two decades ago.

    Further, while the Democrats' share of California's registered voters has remained roughly static over the past two decades, the GOP's share has nose dived, from almost 42% in 1992 to only 28% today. and that share has shrunk by almost 8% in the last four years alone.

    For the first time, the number of California voters not formally registered with either major party has now surpassed the number of registered Republicans -- and per recent polls, those independents appear almost twice as likely to align with Democrats as with Republicans.

    I would therefore offer that this precipitous and well-documented plunge in public support for Republicans is hardly indicative of Democratic-induced gerrymandering. Rather, it's wholly reflective of a California GOP that has fallen extraordinarily out of touch and favor with a decided majority of their own state's electorate.

    20 years ago, at a time of significantly changing statewide demographics, California Republicans under Gov. Pete Wilson deliberately chose to veer ever rightward by purging their ranks of moderates and progressives, and by pandering to the worst fears and instincts of "fed up" middle-aged white people with divisive and nonsensical electoral stunts, such as the truly odious Proposition 187.

    Thus, the GOP hierarchy foolishly angered a fairly sizable portion of its own voter base, and further alienated the state's minority voters at a time when ethnic minorities' own share of the electorate was rapidly increasing. Meanwhile, the GOP's current base of angry white voters has been aging out and losing market share, simply through its own attrition.

    So, unless the California GOP alters its collective mindset both quickly and markedly, they've probably charted a course for their own perpetual political marginalization, if not a pathway to eventual oblivion. And given that California is a bellwether state that's presently home to one in eight Americans, such a course does not bode well for Republicans on a nationwide basis.

    Aloha.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#86)
    by Uncle Chip on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:11:00 AM EST
    Yes (none / 0) (#87)
    by squeaky on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:32:13 AM EST
    No matter how hard parents try to create perfect children, they always manage to create problems that the children have to deal with for the rest of their lives.

    I think being a parent is basically investing in failure.

    But in the end, most cases the children grow up and thrive.

    Hard to control the outcome.

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    I can't speak for the other parents (5.00 / 3) (#114)
    by Anne on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 09:08:18 PM EST
    out there, but as the mother of two daughters, I can tell you that it was never my goal to have perfect children.

    My goal was to be worthy of being their mother.  My goal was happy children.  Not in the sense of give-them-everything-they-want kind of happy - because that's not really happiness.  I wanted to help them learn who they were, what their talents were, what it felt like to be loved, and how to show their love for others.  I wanted to show them, teach them, how to make good decisions, how to handle disappointment, how to deal with failure in ways that didn't kill their spirit.  I wanted them to learn how to accept themselves and love themselves.

    But perfect?  How do imperfect people teach their children to be perfect?  Other than by holding them to standards they don't hold for themselves?

    I do think it's sad that you think parenthood is about investing in failure, but then, you aren't a parent, are you?  Parenthood is about love and hope and the future.  It's an exercise in bravery and a test of your courage.  It's about finding out that it really is possible to love someone as much as you realize you do when they put that baby in your arms.  

    I know that sounds all Hallmark-card, but 31-some years after giving birth to my older daughter, I can assure you that it still feels awesome and amazing just remembering that moment.  It still gives me chills.

    The truth is that it isn't that it's hard to control the outcome, it's kidding yourself that that is even possible.  It isn't - it can't be done.  And knowing more than a few people who've tried to exert that kind of control, I can attest to the reality that it just doesn't work.  It may be the best way to get an out-of-control child, though.

    So...I'd venture to say that it's those parents whose goal is perfection who create problems that children have to deal with throughout their lives.

    Parenthood is definitely not for the faint of heart.

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    Nothing Sad About It (none / 0) (#116)
    by squeaky on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:22:23 PM EST
    It is a truism.

    But I am sure that there exceptions.

    Failure is success,

    Success is failure.

    Not very complex..

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    Sayeth the childless one... (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Anne on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:39:09 PM EST
    You don't have a clue, something that gets more and more obvious the more you try to tell us all what parenthood is and/or what it means.

    Jesus.

    ::rolling eyes::

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    Doesn't having been a child count? (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:47:04 PM EST
    Did you understand or know what (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by Anne on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:50:58 PM EST
    parenthood was all about before you had children?

    I'm guessing...no, you didn't.

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    Ha. Good point. (none / 0) (#123)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:53:20 PM EST
    On the flip... (none / 0) (#134)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 09:57:15 AM EST
    observations by the childless can have merit too...sometimes outside eyes see what inside eyes miss.  A different perspective, if you will.

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    As a childless person (5.00 / 3) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:14:27 AM EST
    Who lived for a year with a difficult teenager (my nephew) I would politely suggest that you and I have no friggin idea what we are talking about.

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    Outside eyes who have never had children (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:18:26 AM EST
    cannot see what it is that parenthood means to those who have.

    Even I, as a parent, can only speak to what it means to me - which is what I tried to do.

    Nothing wrong with different perspectives - even among parents, sometimes what we observe in others teaches us things about ourselves.  Parenthood is one of those things it's hard to be detached about, so it's good to be open to those kinds of observations.

    I guess squeaky didn't like that I found his assessment of what parenthood is - "an exercise in failure" - to be sad, and rather than admit that, no, he really doesn't know what it's like to be a parent, and maybe expand his understanding from someone who does, he chose to summarily dismiss what I said and carry on as if we stand on equal footing in the area of parenthood.

    In other words, SSDD.

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    Never mind, Anne (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:07:42 PM EST
    It is clear that her/his squeakiness has read at most only one of your sentences and didn't bother comprehending that.

    Her/his mind is made up: you said only what s/he says you said and not what you really said.

    Or something.

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    You Do Not Have a Clue (none / 0) (#152)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:00:21 AM EST
    Obviously you are on your own subject of how great a parent, you are. How experienced you are, and how no one could understand what you understand.. bla bla bla..

    well what you are going on about has little to do with my statement.

    I think that in order to consider what I said, it requires a little depth, defensive egoism is the last thing that will help you here.


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    "Defensive egoism?" (5.00 / 3) (#162)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:48:10 AM EST
    Oh, Lord - I may never stop laughing...why?  Because you are so clearly the very definition of the term.

    Let me catch my breath...okay, I'm good.

    For some reason - your ego, perhaps? - you don't care to concede that you don't know what it's like to be a parent, or what parenthood means to those who are, but have chosen instead to defend your assertions - what is that if not "defensive egoism?"

    You were the one making the assumption that parents try to create perfect children; I offered that as a parent, and not speaking for any other parents, perfect children was never my goal.  I made an effort to explain what my goals as a parent were/are, and instead of making any effort to see something from a perspective you don't have, you've just dismissed me as if I don't know what I'm talking about.  

    I don't have enough "depth" to grasp the meaning of your pronouncements?  Oh, come on - really?  This is a "depth" problem?  If "depth" means "ability to smell that your initial comment was a pile of crap, and that it's just getting deeper with each of your additions," I can assure you: I have plenty of "depth."  As does anyone else within sniffing range.

    "Defensive egoism?"  Thanks for the chuckle.

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    Yes Depth (none / 0) (#167)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:07:56 PM EST
    When one shudders at the word failure as a parent, and waxes on prosaically about their own success and greatness and deep understanding of being a parent through being a parent, it sounds to me like defensive egoism.

    Here is a hint:

    you may want to look at what some of the greats say about failure.

    Seems to me, regarding failure, you are on the same page with Schwarzenegger.

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    The failure, dear squeaky, was in your (5.00 / 3) (#177)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:41:15 PM EST
    not apparently grasping that while I stated what my goals were as a parent, I did not speak to the success or failure of those goals.  And I certainly didn't "shudder at the word failure as a parent."  In fact, I think when I said that having perfect children wasn't my goal, I was indicating that failure's just part of life.

    I did address the fact that I wanted my kids to learn to deal with failure, because we all fail, in some way, at some point, and it's good to be able to learn from it and move on.

    Are you sure you actually read my comment?  It wouldn't seem so.

    But the failure thing...as a parent, you truly don't know if what you're doing is going to work.  So, you were right about one thing: sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.  Same techniques on two children can turn out completely different.  And sometimes - we, as parents all pray for this - they turn out okay in spite of what we did or didn't do.

    Some people aren't cut out to be parents - or may believe they're not.  It really isn't for everyone, and to have them anyway isn't fair to the children that result.

    What this all boils down to is something that has application on many other issues: you really shouldn't make such definitive statements about what something is or isn't if it's not in your experience.  Virgins don't really comprehend sex and all that goes along with it until they experience it.  Single people don't really understand marriage until they're in one (and no, living with someone isn't the same).  Healthy people don't comprehend what it's like to have a chronic or life-threatening illness until they are the ones that have them.  

    I don't know why this is so hard for you to acknowledge; perhaps you haven't really plumbed those depths.

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    No Experience As Parent Needed (none / 0) (#190)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:21:47 PM EST
    My comment above does not depend on being a parent, it is based on observation and study.

    And, IMO this world view is FOS, and has nothing to do with my comment:

    What this all boils down to is something that has application on many other issues: you really shouldn't make such definitive statements about what something is or isn't if it's not in your experience.  Virgins don't really comprehend sex and all that goes along with it until they experience it.  Single people don't really understand marriage until they're in one (and no, living with someone isn't the same).  Healthy people don't comprehend what it's like to have a chronic or life-threatening illness until they are the ones that have them.


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    I used to get a lot of wll-meaning, (none / 0) (#194)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:40:48 PM EST
    advice re parent/child issues from my childless-by-choice female friends. But I discounted it due to their lack of hands-on experience. In retrospect, some of that input was pretty good.

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    But did you discount their (none / 0) (#199)
    by Anne on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 02:05:29 PM EST
    interpretation of what parenthood is?  Would you have accepted the view that parenthood is an investment in failure?  Or, as I have heard some people express, an exercise in ego?

    The world is full of people who always seem to want to tell you how to do the things that they don't do; people without children think they have the answers for those who do, people who are single think they know how to manage or navigate a marriage.  It's not that they can't bring an outside perspective that could be helpful - as parents, we are so often so close to things that we can't always see the forest for the trees - but if you're not married, don't tell me what marriage is or what it means and if you don't have kids, don't tell me what parenthood is or what it means.  Observing from the outside isn't the same as living it from the inside.

    Squeaky, apparently, thinks that it isn't necessary to be a parent to define what parenthood is: I do not agree.  

    And I think he's dug himself into a big hole and he's never going to admit that.

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    Agree (none / 0) (#159)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:35:03 AM EST
    I think that in order to consider what I said, it requires a little depth, defensive egoism is the last thing that will help you here.
    A stand by to see you exhibit it.


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    Yes (none / 0) (#138)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:12:50 AM EST
    I would say that parents in general, have little objectivity regarding the subject. Of course there are some who can see clearly, but my guess is that is quite rare.

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    The world moves again. (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:54:20 AM EST
    We agree. You can, and should, prepare to raise children.

    But you don't have a clue until you do.

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    Wow. "I think being (none / 0) (#102)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 06:08:47 PM EST
    a parent is basically investing in failure."

    Parent
    And, he, being (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by NYShooter on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 06:27:10 PM EST
    the return on one's investment is proof positive as to the validity of that sage statement:)

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    Squeaky is an interesting person (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 06:28:51 PM EST
    (In person).

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    And may you all (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:29:19 AM EST
    live in interesting times.

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    Isn't that supposed to be (none / 0) (#196)
    by Zorba on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:50:46 PM EST
    an ancient Chinese curse?   ;-)

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    oh? (none / 0) (#198)
    by sj on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 02:02:27 PM EST
    Is it?

    Well then....

    Bless their hearts.

    :)

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    Nice (none / 0) (#110)
    by squeaky on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 07:44:59 PM EST
    Yes (none / 0) (#111)
    by squeaky on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 07:48:12 PM EST
    A bit of a paradox..  successful productive children despite their parents efforts..


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    Nature/nurture. (none / 0) (#112)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 07:58:00 PM EST
    Did you read this? (none / 0) (#115)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 09:32:03 PM EST
    Always interesting to hear from parental unit/offspring on the same event. Deborah Tannen's "You're Wearing That?" Is another good example.

    Alessandra Stanley and her daughter's accounts of their trip

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    The Roosevelts (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 04:06:45 PM EST
    Starts tonight.  Looking forward to tho 7 part series on PBS.
    not recording it tonight.   To much other stuff.

    This is a good point-

    Historian Geoffrey Ward told CBS News on Sunday that Franklin D. Roosevelt would have difficulty running for president with a disability like polio today because Fox News would have "loved" to show him "at his most helpless."

    During a panel discussion about the PBS documentary "The Roosevelts: An Intimate History," CBS host Bob Schieffer noted that Roosevelt could have never hidden his inability to walk from the public today.

    "Hopefully, the public today would be much more understanding and glad to have somebody that had overcome this kind of problem," historian Doris Kearns Goodwin agreed.

    "I differ with Doris a little," Ward said. "I think if he were running now, sadly, I think TV crews would compete with each other to see who could get the footage that showed him at his most helpless. He had to be carried in and out of buildings. He had to be helped to remove his braces and so on."

    "And I think Fox News would have loved that," he pointed out.



    Heck, Teddy Roosevelt, the Republican (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by caseyOR on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 04:57:21 PM EST
    in that crew, could not get elected today, at least not as a Republican. I can just see see Teddy in a GOP primary debate with the likes of Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Paul Ryan and Chris Christie. I bet Teddy would really wanted a big stick in that situation. :-)

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    That's why he bolted to the Progressive Party, after he was denied the nomination at the GOP convention. And be and incumbent President William Howard Taft then split the Republican vote in the November general election, they ended up easily delivering the White House to the Democrat, Woodrow Wilson.

    Roosevelt's running mate that year was California Gov. Hiram Johnson, a progressive Republican who also bolted the GOP that year.

    Aloha.

    Parent

    I Would Add... (none / 0) (#154)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:17:53 AM EST
    ...that it is produced and directed by Ken Burns.

    I have seen his documentaries about the National Parks, the Civil War, and baseball.  Phenomenal and available, with others, on Netflix.

    The 6 or 7 part series on National parks inspired our recent visit to Yellowstone.  Understanding the relationship between special interests and a fledgling federal government was something I never truly understood.

    Did you know tickets were sold at one point to watch the light show at Yosemite, which was basically a raft full of flammables pushed over the falls at night time.  Or that people mined the Grand Canyon, even after it was declared a National Park because there was no enforcement division.  Or the part Rockefeller played in the creation of the Grand Tetons by offering free land so long as the fed declares the area a park.

    He is one of the best documentarians of our day, IMO.

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    Just got back from a trip to the (5.00 / 4) (#169)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:14:35 PM EST
    Grand Teton National Park. Hard to describe its ever changing beauty with mere words.

    The trip was a 12 day bus tour where we visited all the Great Western National Parks. The badlands put on a show for us with rainbow colors that our guide said were rare for that area. The cathedral like rock formations against the bluest of blue skies and the rainbow mounds of earth created a picture that would be hard to duplicate. Mount Rushmore and the Crazy Horse Monument and Museum were awe inspiring. Yellowstone with its multiple geothermal attractions - geyers, hot springs, mud pools and multicolor basins - simply amazing as well as beautiful. The Grand Tetons - even majestic fails to adequately describe their splendor.

    As an unscheduled (at least by us) added attraction, our bus had to stop while a cattle drive went across the highway. Great fun to watch and caused a pleasant bit of excitement to break up the day's journey.

    Piece of western history that impressed me:

    The Wyoming territory gave women the right to vote in 1869. 51 years prior to our nation giving women this right in 1920.

     

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    Cool... (none / 0) (#179)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:49:29 PM EST
    ...we did 9 days from Billings to Jackson and back last month.

    It's crazy, one moment there are all these people checking out some thermal attraction, the next moment we are camping on the edge of actual wilderness where man isn't the top predator.

    Did you do the Bear Tooth Highway ?  We did, but it was raining and because of the elevation, we were in the clouds, aka fog.  Visibility was maybe 50 feet, but it did clear up at the top for a bit.

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    Don't think we did the Bear Tooth Highway (none / 0) (#188)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 01:16:39 PM EST
    We really lucked out on the weather. We left behind heat indexes of 104 in St. Louis and drove into weather with highs in the mid to high 70s during the first week  of our trip. We had one brief rain shower when we were out and about one evening in Jackson. Rain threatened us for half of our raft trip down the Snake River but luckily held off. Otherwise we would have been totally drenched and once the sun went behind the clouds it became fairly chilly. It began getter cooler during the last week of the trip and we were driving out of areas where the temps dropped significantly and has several inches of snow right after we left. Came home to nice cool weather.

    No camping for us. Mainly a bus load of retired seniors. A couple had walkers and one gentlemen had a scooter. He managed to get around fairly well on it  and saw most of the sights.

    My group was for the most part younger and in better shape. We walked, climbed (moderately) etc. whenever we had the chance including around parking lots in rest areas to get more exercise. Would have enjoyed walking more if all of our hotels were closer to towns or hiking areas. Jackson wound up to be the best place for us to walk after we got to the hotel.

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    Speaking of why our children (none / 0) (#103)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 06:27:06 PM EST
    are joining ISIS....

    CBS Sports has announced it won't air a controversial 30-second commercial because it took on a "political nature" for featuring a young girl reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

    Washington state real estate broker Dave Retter, of the Horse Heaven Round-Up, created the ad to run during CBS's broadcast of the Wrangler Champions Challenge rodeo, Tri-City Herald reported. In it, Retter's 4-year-old granddaughter recites the pledge.

    Link

    Your children are joining ISIS?! (5.00 / 4) (#117)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:28:46 PM EST
    Oh my! How sad for you . . .

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    Wouldn't you? (5.00 / 4) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:33:55 PM EST
    Ouch! That one left a mark... (5.00 / 4) (#120)
    by Anne on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 10:46:19 PM EST
    But as long as we're on the subject of ISIS, I thought this was worth considering, since I keep feeling like I'm about to get punk'd again:

    Will The Tricks Used To Sell War in 2003 Work in 2014?


    The Fall War Launch Needs New Words, Images, People and Emotion

    We know how they sold the Iraq War to us. Spot the tricks this time! Look for:

    Words. Notice the words and phrases being used this time. "Boots on the ground." It's all about protecting our people. Drones aren't "boots in the air" so they are fine. This shift in focus from people to machines should lead us to look at the cost, but will it?

    Keep an eye on the word degrade, that's an emotional word pawned off as a military and physical action. Degrade has that, "It happens over a long period of time" feeling to it. That's intentional.

    Images. The beheading videos are powerful, but they won't be showing them over and over. That means the military will offer up successful bombing videos--from a distance. Look for what they don't want us to see.
    Closer in photos of the innocent dead.

    Of course if these photos slip out they will be condemned as inciting violence toward us. The people who provide them (or retweet and publish them) will be labeled traitors for  helping the terrorists. Fox News will remind people of all the bad people we killed without loss of US lives. They will probably do a fair and balanced chart of it.

    People. Keep an eye out for the retired Generals. Who pays them? Do they work for people selling drones?  Could someone please check them now? Call the TV producers and demand they mention their affiliations. Also, who is paying the think tank people? Foreign governments? Defense contractors?

    The media already has brought on tired old "experts" to make the case for war, but who is new in the media opposing war? If our "boots on the ground" aren't in danger, can we get some accountants on to talk about the cost of these drone strikes?  How about representatives of the innocent dead? Someone from a Big 8 Peace firm?  Who do you suggest?

    Emotion. If they can't get anger, they will go for fear. Any attack in the US or on US interests will be linked to ISIL faster than you can say, Al Qaeda in Iraq.

    I've heard three experts say it would be very hard for ISIL to attack the US. They will find someone who says they can. He will be in heavy rotation on Fox.

    How do you stop them from using emotion? You can't, but you can offer other emotions. Like courage.



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    Interesting that the article references (1.00 / 1) (#149)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:39:47 AM EST
    the movie "Wag the Dog." Are there any other movies we should pay attention to?

    And I love this:

    I've heard three experts say it would be very hard for ISIL to attack the US.

    Of course it will be. It was very hard for the attack on 9/11 to be done.

    But is was much easier for the attack during the Boston Marathon.

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    Scary (none / 0) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 14, 2014 at 11:19:02 PM EST
    Thank you for your sympathy (none / 0) (#146)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:31:11 AM EST
    after all, they all are our children. And remember Hillary told us that it takes a village.

    And to the list of things we do that send the wrong  message to our children I add:

    A sixth-grade teacher at a Washington, D.C., middle school is in deep water after assigning students to make comparisons between former president George W. Bush and Adolf Hitler in a class project.

    According to local media, the educator at McKinley Middle School sent students home with a Venn diagram with instructions to compare and contrast Hitler and Bush, stating that "both men abused their powers."

    Link

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    PleaZe... (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:30:18 AM EST
    ...our children ?
    You mean the ones you don't advocate killing ?

    But I am sure a commercial during the rodeo would make all the difference...  If only the recruits could watch a 4 year recite the 'Pledge of Allegiance', they would de-radicalize.

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    Thank you for your sympathy (none / 0) (#147)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:31:11 AM EST
    after all, they all are our children. And remember Hillary told us that it takes a village.

    And to the list of things we do that send the wrong  message to our children I add:

    A sixth-grade teacher at a Washington, D.C., middle school is in deep water after assigning students to make comparisons between former president George W. Bush and Adolf Hitler in a class project.

    According to local media, the educator at McKinley Middle School sent students home with a Venn diagram with instructions to compare and contrast Hitler and Bush, stating that "both men abused their powers."

    Link

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    You Know... (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:31:12 AM EST
    ...when in the internet, you don't have to click the button twice ?

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    Speaking of twice (none / 0) (#165)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:59:56 AM EST
    To many Americans, the rise of the terrorist Islamic State is among the major threats facing the country. Or the continued flow of illegal aliens across our southern border. Or the economy and the fact that a record number of us - some 92 million - are no longer in the labor force.

    But Saturday night, in its lead story, Politico Magazine published this burning question: "Is it time to ditch the Star-Spangled Banner?" According to author Tim Widmer, its lyrics are racist:

    Link

    Tell me, Scott. If we don't teach our children to love the country........who will??

    And remember.... I speak of children. Not adults who have developed their critical thinking ability enough to understand that while we have done bad things we are still the best in the world.

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    Shorter version (none / 0) (#171)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:16:30 PM EST
    What's the Christian word for Madrassa?

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    There isn't one (1.00 / 1) (#178)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:48:35 PM EST
    Although you can argue that private schools operated by specific church groups come close.

    The issue then becomes what is taught. In the private school my grandson attends the New Testament as a basis for ethics.

    OTOH:

    McLEAN, Va. -- Textbooks at a private Islamic school in northern Virginia teach students that it is permissible for Muslims to kill adulterers and converts from Islam, according to a federal investigation released Wednesday.

    Other passages in the school's textbooks state that "the Jews conspired against Islam and its people" and that Muslims are permitted to take the lives and property of those deemed "polytheists."

    The passages were found in selected textbooks used during the 2007-08 school year by the Islamic Saudi Academy, which teaches 900 students in grades K-12 at two campuses in Alexandria and Fairfax and receives much of its funding from the Saudi government.

    NBC News

    The third leg of the educational establishment is the public schools which have become secular and, to a large degree, anti western culture and anti Republican party.

    There are reports now that students were made to wear Muslim burqas as part of their public school lessons.

    Link

    According to the website txcscopereview.com, a lesson plan for 6th graders in government schools reads as follows:

    "Notice socialist/communist nations use symbolism on their flags representing various aspects of their economic system. Imagine a new socialist nation is creating a flag and you have been put in charge of creating a flag. Use symbolism to represent aspects of socialism/communism on your flag. What kind of symbolism/colors would you use?"

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    In a linked video, an obviously incompetent teacher bellows "You will not disrespect the president of the United States in this class!" after students asked questions about Obama's admission that he bullied a girl in high school in response to the teacher bringing up what she called a "fact of the day" -- that Romney had been a bully in high school.

    The teacher became indignant, and said,

    "Obama is our friend!"

    "Obama is the president!"

    And,

    "I cannot allow you to slander any president in here."

    According to another report, part of the exchange included this:

    "Do you realize that people were arrested for saying things bad about Bush?" she says of former President Bush. "Do you realize you are not supposed to slander the president?"

    The student responds by saying being arrested for talking badly about the president would violate the right to free speech.

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    And finally:

    A political science professor at Butler University asks students to disregard their "American-ness, maleness, whiteness, heterosexuality, middle-class status" when writing and speaking in the classroom - a practice the school's arts and sciences dean defended as a way to negate students' inherent prejudices.

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    Again. Is it any wonder we have children joining ISIS??

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    I stopped saying under God while saying (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 08:16:11 AM EST
    The pledge.  I've been to a few football games lately.

    Still not a terrorist

    Still a proud American

    Still think we need to play a role in dealing with ISIL

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    MT, the issue here is not (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 10:32:54 AM EST
    the "under God" phrase. CBS sports says it was too political.

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    Maybe it is too political Jim (none / 0) (#173)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:19:27 PM EST
    How can a 4 year old (none / 0) (#180)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:49:35 PM EST
    reciting the pledge be too political??

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    Dr. Misee Harris (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 08:09:46 AM EST
    Dr. Misee Harris, who also was the Black Bachelorette, just found herself in an impossible situation after posting support for Ferguson and Mike Brown's family on her private Facebook page. Dr. Harris was given a choice to resign or shut up. Here's the story:

    On Thursday, September 4th, Dr. Misee Harris (the Black Bachelorette) was called into an unannounced meeting at the dental practice where she has worked as a Pediatric Dentist and was recently offered a partnership in the practice. Dr. Harris, the sole African American dentist in the practice, has worked tirelessly with underprivileged young patients on Medicaid to ensure their smiles remain healthy, and the quality of Dr. Harris's work has never been called into question. Once in the meeting, Dr. Harris was ambushed and presented with screenshots from her private Facebook page. Being that Misee had blocked work colleagues from accessing her account, it was explained to Misee that a doctor who is a partner at the office, and who led the meeting, had been having a friend spy on Misee's Facebook page. Screenshots were taken of Misee's Facebook posts and were sent to the doctor who led the meeting. Misee was then told that some of her Facebook posts about recent racial issues in America were "unprofessional." The biggest bone of contention to the partners was a cartoon (see graphic below) related to the recent police murders of several innocent African-Americans across the nation. The partner held up the picture and asked Misee "Do you think we (meaning Misee's white colleagues) are all like this?"

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    And This is Why America... (none / 0) (#160)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:35:24 AM EST
    ... is so litigious, idiots who think they can do whatever they want, even severely hamper one's career, because of views they disagree with.

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    Literally unbelievable (none / 0) (#128)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 08:43:16 AM EST
    The Onion... (none / 0) (#161)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 11:43:43 AM EST
    ...has gotten more than one person here.

    This is what the internet has done, allowed people to respond without first digesting.  And those words are out their for all of eternity, or at least until man has eliminated himself from planet Earth.

    It also proves that there are a lot of people, like my mother, who thinks if it's on those internets, it must be true.  Ditto for inflammatory emails in ALL CAPS.

    The Onion should change it's name about once a year, and see how many people bite without the Onion url.

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    Did anyone else see (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 09:15:04 AM EST
    Nucky meet Joe Kennedy last night?  Awsum.

    Haven't watched it yet (none / 0) (#174)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 15, 2014 at 12:23:21 PM EST
    Busy weekend just recovering from the week :)  We mostly slept and ate.  And the new game Destiny came out so Josh had friends over yesterday for that.

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