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Someone got the names/addresses wrong for two of the officers. People not involved with Gray's death were harassed over the mistake.
It's also been reported the knife was illegal after all. Looks like SA Mosby rushed the charges to appease the mob or for her own political gain.
One has to wonder - or at least I do - whether what transpired with Freddie Gray wasn't a case of "oh, look - here's a knife; we don't have anything else on this mook - no drugs, no gun, nothing - but if I write this up as 'spring-assist' we can jack this guy up for a few hours or days until it gets thrown out."
You kind of have to know how things work here, the kinds of things people get picked up for, and how often these charging slips are completely bogus to understand why I think this is a very possible scenario.
You may find this instructive.
As for the mistakes on the charging documents, while I agree that it's a detail that should have not been overlooked, it's not like she charged Joe Smith and Mary Jones instead of Bill Doe and Barbara Roe. Parent
However, if the knife has springs, etc., it seems pretty likely that it would not be legal in Baltimore.
Perhaps she believes state law takes precedence over city law in this matter? Parent
So what is your take on it ? Parent
I do think it is highly unusual to shackle a detainee/arrestee's legs for any reason. Is there any reliable information the arresting officer was unable to subdue Mr. Gray b/4 the decision was made to shackle his legs?
Seems like a tough case to prove against any officer at the beginning of the transport if none were in the van w/him and he died a week later in the hospital after being transported from the pre-trial detention facility to the hospital.
Of course, law enforcement officers at the scene b/4 transport have a federal constitutional duty not to consciously disregard Mr. Gray's need for serious medical care. Parent
I just find it kind of glib and presumptuous for people who haven't even seen the knife to be declaring that it was illegal.
But isn't that what you just did with regard to what you speculate the police did?
And isn't that what you just did with regard to what you assume the prosecution did?
We aren't privy to either what the prosecutor did to get to the point she did in charging the officers and in her conclusions and we aren't privy to what the cops did or didn't do regarding the knife.
It isn't out of the realm of possibility that the prosecutors got it wrong. It happens all the time in the real world.
I do find it telling that the prosecutor referred only to the allegedly seized knife as not a switchblade and therefore not illegal when the police report doesn't call it a switchblade. The police report described it as "a spring assisted, one hand operated knife" which is in fact illegal under city law and IIRC Maryland state law as well.
This issue is going to be more important than I think people realize. If the prosecutor got this wrong it's going to undermine her entire prosecution. It's important that the prosecutor not overplay it's hand in various ways but overcharging and being deliberately deceitful are two ways to sink any prosecution. And rightfully so. Parent
I just set up a Freddie Gray thread (5.00 / 1) (#63) by Jeralyn on Tue May 05, 2015 at 06:57:18 PM EST so the discussion can be in one place and not take up too much of the open thread. Parent | Reply to This | 1 2 3 4 5
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The absurd extent to which people such as yourself become emotionally vested in the outcomes of these cases tends to highlight the underlying shallowness of your own lives. It's likely that you're not as interested in seeing actual justice prevail, as much as you are desperately trying to preserve the decaying remnants of an obsolete social order that was based upon race and gender.
Judging from the totality and content of your comments here, you have an obsession with race for which TL's host has specifically cautioned you. It sometimes appears as though your own miserable existence is somehow validated by the comforting knowledge that there are others who will always be worse off than them, by pure happenstance of their own ethnicity. And really, how pathetic is that?
And if you're offended by what I'm saying, well, good and who cares. I have no patience for your racism and race-baiting nonsense any more, and as I told you earlier, I'll call it out as I see it.
Aloha. Parent
Let's say you want to donate money to a GOP candidate, but whoops, you've given the limit. One route open is to invest in your local Pizza Ranch, which takes your investment money and donates it to the candidate. Free speech, and pizza, for all. Parent
The free range non-sense is a conspiracy because during Benghazi, instead of calling for the holocaust of Libya, HRC was eating pizza with Castro and Soros while burning the flag and figuring out how to marginalize the white christian male. Parent
Why on earth would we want to take over TX? No offense to Texans but seriously. It's a mystery to me. Parent
Ever hear of bears and chubby chasers? Parent
And, I believed her. Hillary will do even beter than Obama with Latinos.....Lights out.
And, Bernie sounded really good on Tweety's show.....Throwing in climate change as an issue...The environment as an issue, could it be true?
This Primary season may be good for Democrats. Bernie needs to talk about no more wars.....Hillary will be fine on domestic issues....a little tug to the Left on Foreign policy would be good.
....basically going back to the dominance of the Democrats prior to 1980. Parent
President Obama is for it. The same reason they'd be against air & water. Parent
Smart IMO. Parent
Brand D would be wise to double-down on economic populism, lest they be perceived as the new party of the rich and insanely rich.
The truth is (as we know too well), the rich and insanely rich have two parties, and 90% of us have no party when it comes to economic issues, we only have social issue parties. Parent
But, I'm glad you pointed out that the TP'ers have a dislike for the Wall Street gang. I've often stated here that if Progressives were smart they'd look for those small areas where they, and the Tea Party, shared common values, and used it to their advantage in elections. Peeling off even a small percentage of right wing votes could prove critical in many tight elections.
Even here in Tennessee, in the short time I've been here, I've seen a swing in thinking. More and more, on some of the talk shows, I'm seeing guests questioning why many of the benefits the rest of the country is enjoying, Tennessee is rejecting? The big one is the Medicaid expansion which, if the Legislature had approved it, would have benefitted 280,000 poor Tennesseans. It came down to one vote in Committee, 6 voted for, 7 against. That became pretty big news, and when the 7 who voted against approval were questioned by the media, it was obvious none had even read the proposal.
Oh, and another positive sign; all the newscasts at their conclusions pointed out that the seven members who voted against were themselves receiving free State paid health insurance. Parent
I also think the nationalist streak that runs through the R party plays a part in any global economy discussions as it should.
I also wonder if after a couple decades of cheap goods is waking people up on the high costs of those goods, namely living wage paying jobs. Parent
The monied forces are already working behind the scenes to get some who have announced excluded from the scheduled debates because the candidate isn't polling high enough. There are so many candidates though with at least a couple more possible, who decides what the polling threshold is this early in the game, and how do they decide it? Will the tea party and hard right stand for this sort of weeding out? Word has already leaked out it is being attempted. Will it destroy the morale of the wingnutty base? Parent
Largely out of view, executives and journalists from Fox and CNN, with input from the national party, are weighing the entrance criteria for the first two debates. Among the options being considered is using polling as a rough inclusionary test, followed by a fundraising metric--dollars raised or the number of individual donors activated. All of these things are in flux as the networks and the national party struggle with the largest plausible debate field in history.
They "require" updates to account information.
Thank heavens they are illiterate... because without their incredible stupidity, it might be pretty easy to be fooled into clicking on a link to ruination.
Here is a sample of their text:
In spite this improvement, By passing back and forth personal details that only you and us know, you can feel even more secure with your cardmember access experience. We recognize you and you recognize us.
Thank Lordy I dint pass back and forth personal details that only me know - so my access experience be not too badly.
I told them I am not signing stuff because some stranger sent me an email request. It really ticked me off in that they have you sign 1001 things protecting them, but for me, it was send me whatever and act like I was the problem for wanting some sort of verification.
I wanted the names of people and where they worked, that would be sending me stuff. GreenTree could not provide it because the assembly line mortgage went through so many companies they had no idea who would be contacting me.
I assume other people are signing at will. I bet I got 30 calls, from people I had no idea why they were involved. One person got really hot when I asked 'How do I know you are who you say you are ?'. The people at GreenTreen were nice, but for them not to know who would be processing various aspects really rubbed me the wrong way.
I said to hell with it, I have a variable rate that is super low, but I wanted to lock in a rate, but it would be marginal and for me not worth dealing with people who are so careless with my liability while going to absurd lengths to minimize theirs. Granted, my mortgage is getting down there and the refi wasn't much more than my last car loan.
Bank of America, who I actually liked, sold the loan years ago to GT, who I liked fine until I tried to refi. But it bugs me that I pick a company to finance my largest purchase, and they just change the dynamic without customer input. But if I tried to move my mortgage to another person, good god, we would be signing papers for days. Parent
Guess again. FROM The New Yorker
"Last week, the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee, headed by Texas Republican Lamar Smith, approved a bill that would slash at least three hundred million dollars from NASA's earth-science budget. Earth science, of course, includes climate science.
It means that not only will climate studies be ignored; some potentially useful data won't even be collected. The vote on the NASA bill came just a week after the same House committee approved major funding cuts to the National Science Foundation's geosciences program, as well as cuts to Department of Energy programs that support research into new energy sources."
this on right wing watch
Long and amazing Parent
Baltimore's Hasty Prosecutor
How about Mosby's own mistake [about the knife]... It's Mosby who made the "illegal" arrest, and could be charged under her own theory of "false imprisonment." And sued to boot, since she forfeited her immunity from civil action by doing the charging herself.
How about Mosby's own mistake [about the knife]...
It's Mosby who made the "illegal" arrest, and could be charged under her own theory of "false imprisonment."
And sued to boot, since she forfeited her immunity from civil action by doing the charging herself.
All of this makes Mosby look like a complete lightweight... Parent
Lordy.
Yes, Marilyn Mosby, holding the position for all of 4 months since winning election in November, is your scapegoat of the day. Marilyn Mosby, who comes from a long line of family in law enforcement, has it in for the cops.
Sure hope no one named "ruffian" is ever arrested and charged with a crime, because I hate to tell you this, but if you have the same name as someone who has, your phone's going to be ringing. Parent
Just get this one right. Don't overcharge, don't give bad cops a free pass. Get it right. Parent
And you know what I'm pretty sure of? That if she'd waited until Monday or Thursday, and the city had started to smolder and burn again, people like you would be blaming her, the mayor and as many people as you have fingers to point about where they had gone wrong and what were they waiting for??? Parent
"That if she'd waited until Monday or Thursday, and the city had started to smolder and burn again, people like you would be blaming her, the mayor and as many people as you have fingers to point about where they had gone wrong and what were they waiting for???"
Who are people like me? I would not have blamed Mosby for weekend riots if she took more time to make charges. I do have some problems with how the Mayor handled things. Parent
I'm betting most or all of the charges ate going by the wayside at some point. This really is looking like an incompetent investigation. Parent
So, actually, you don't know why it didn't go to the grand jury first.
Janice Bledsoe is Mosby's chief investigator and by all accounts she is excellent at what she does. Here's a little background; I think her experience on both sides of the law is an advantage, not to mention her experience with the Police Integrity Unit.
Is the second-guessing all about people not liking the results and assuming that some other person, some other investigator, would have just made all of this go away? Parent
It's just curious that she wouldn't use the Chief of Homicide to investigate a high profile case.
Why would she, or someone in her office, not personally check things like arrest warrants in such a high profile case, instead of assigning it to a sheriff's deputy? (Conspiracy theorists could surmise that a fellow cop was trying to disrupt the case on purpose).
Regardless, there's lots of sloppiness put forth in this case. Parent
I wouldn't say lots of sloppiness either. A couple of incidents, while not ideal, is not "lots". There seems to be a lot more 'sloppiness' in the actions of the cops, imo. You don't end up with a dead person if you are being correct and careful . . . Parent
The problem with throwing mud in the hope that it will stick is that sometimes it sticks to you.
It's always a delicate balance when the cooperative and synergistic worlds of law enforcement and prosecution have to manage the prosecution of or investigation into a member of law enforcement. Those who want to blame Mosby for not making this a truly joint investigation don't seem to have given much thought to this.
And, for what it's worth, the police department task force already includes the Commander of the Homicide Unit, and the materials compiled by that task force have been shared with Mosby's team since Day One. Parent
Why didn't she use a grand jury (rhetorical - I know why).
Share, please ... along with any evidence. Parent
Two more.
Political career. Parent
But when it's all you've got, it might convince someone who's clueless. Parent
Whether the knife was legal or not has no real bearing on the murder trial unless the police are going to claim the could tell by the shape in his clothing that it was indeed carrying a spring loaded knife.
I think the charges related to that one item are the least of anyone's problems, except here at TL where the entire case seems to hinge on a spring, literally. Parent
Thanks for the insightful description, Parent
If this had been a couple of rednecks tossing a hogtied "suspect" in the back of a pickup the charges up to and including murder would not be controversial at all. Why should prosecution of police be seen in any different light?
To be sure there is a lot of "throw the book at them" in these charges, a tactic well known to prosecutors since they invented the job. In my book once the ME declared it a homicide, charges were warranted. Mobley struck quickly, deeply and broadly. Win or lose I am pretty sure the police departments in Baltimore and elsewhere get the message. Parent
Now that I write that I think I am going back to believing that the arresting cops wrote up a legal knife as illegal.
Mosby can't have been that lame to be mistaken about the knife's legality, and then charge and imprison the cops due to that mistake.
Just show us the knife already. Parent
Maybe you should go to someplace like DK where they base legal discussion on emotion and prejudice more than on reality, facts and law. Parent
You just haven't figured out how he did it yet. Parent
Iirc, I have over a dozen varieties of tomatoes (yet again). I'm just SUCH a sucker for trying heirloom varieties. Most are new to me this year. More seeds to add to my collection . . . :) Three or four plants have already set tomatoes, as of last look, may be more today . . . the weather is perfect back there.
Oh yeah, lots of other stuff out there also. This year has been extremely buggy, but now that the plants are maturing, less of a problem.
I am from Wisconsin so citrus is new to me, but I love limes.
I have room for two more trees, any suggestions ? I don't like lemons and I need something that won't get over 6 feet tall and would like some sort of fruit. Parent
10111 Breudt Ave, Tujunga, CA.
you will see a tiny house (800 sq ft) that is barely visible from the street because of the greenery but notice the back. That big green space is all my old yard. It was a double lot that I signed an agreement to not sell separately. I bought that place for 200,000 and sold it exactly 2 years later for 300,000 almost entirely because of the yard. I added the wrought iron fence. And the wooden one around the back. 10,000 bucks worth of fence was pretty much my only improvement. Parent
You just have to watch for freezing with your fruit trees. Keep them wet in the winter before a deep freeze, but apples like a good cold winter. I would do some reading up on what variety of fruits were traditional to your area and start there. Oh wait, never mind! You're not in Wisconsin anymore! Still read up on what grows traditionally where you are to see if something strikes your fancy. Parent
Do you remember the name of your Roma? I've planted several old school varieties over the past few years. This year I opted for Amish Paste and Grandma Mary's Roma (or Paste, can't remember). And I have a couple volunteers that I think are Romas from last year's planting.
Do you have one of those spiral cutters for your zucchini? Makes for great 'pasta' noodles when you just can't figure out what else to do with it. I froze a bunch in single portions for quick lunches . . . Parent
The Roma variety is called San Marzano, and they are suppose to be bearing right up until it frosts, which is usually mid-November to early December here.
As for the zucchini, we use it to for stir fry and other things like spaghetti. The last time we grew some, I gave some to a cousin of mine and she made a big pot of zucchini soup, of which she gave us a quart or so in return.
Donald's suggestion below is a good one. We have 5 nectarine trees, they're white-flesh and very sweet so they make good dried fruit as well using a small dehydrator to process them. The best place to plant them is by a wall or fence on the a south side of a property to reflect heat and help them ripen properly. This was a trick the English came up with in order to grow peaches in their climate which tends to be colder than is optimum for them. Parent
My growing area is at the back of my lot and basically the warmest place with great sun. It also sports a gravel ground (along with being fenced on 3 sides with some wind blocks), so it radiates heat back to the plants. I'm bay/coastal, so we don't have too many too hot days. I should think about a white nectarine back there. I buy boat loads of them at the farmers market every year! Parent
If they're overripe and you don't pick em right away they'll drop to the ground PDQ. You probably won't have that problem until the 3rd or 4th year of bearing fruit, so that's when you look into a dehydrator or making them into jam. Parent
I think all my bees (and butterflies and humming birds) would like the additional floral :) And yes, that is the possessive 'my' ;) Parent
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Just finished Penny Dreadful - what a bloodbath! Literally! Parent
While the bacterium chlamydia trachomatis is a common STD that infects both males and females, if left untreated in women of reproductive age it can render later attempts at conception difficult if not impossible for them. It can also cause spontaneous abortions and premature birth in pregnant women, who can further pass it on to their newborn infants at birth.
And chlamydia-related conjunctivitis was once a leading cause of blindness worldwide, although the number of cases has dropped by over 80% over the last 20 years or so.
Aloha.
Forget it, Jake -- it's Idaho.
But then there's Asheville, NC, where parents have managed to get Khaled Hosseini's critically acclaimed 2003 novel The Kite Runner pulled from the A.P. English reading list at Reynolds High School because of its profanity and adult themes, not to mention that it's "demeaning to women."
Pending a review by a committee -- and how cliché is that -- school officials have replaced Hosseini's book with Erich Maria Remarque's All Quiet on the Western Front, no doubt in the hope that once read, students will finally be dissuaded from engaging in massed infantry charges under artillery fire against a well-entrenched opposition armed with heavy weaponry.
(Sigh!) To think that 36 years ago, in my American Literature class at my Catholic High School, we were actually reading Joseph Heller's Catch 22 and Alan Ginsberg's Howl. And over in my World Civilizations class down the hall, my teacher used Yukio Mishima's short story Patriotism -- which included a very erotic sex scene, BTW -- to illustrate the unbridled militarism that had overtaken Imperial Japan in the decade prior to Pearl Harbor.
But then, that's California for you. Godless friggin' Commies, the lot of us.
Combined with the local judge putting his foot down and gay marriage happening here, some parents are pretty distressed. Everything is just going to hell around here :) Parent
On the off chance anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about try googling "jade helm 15" Parent
I am very much an extrovert, without a strong outer world involvement I feel very claustrophobic. Living here until recently has been hard for me.
Things are moving in the right directions here right now. I would have never guessed or foreseen that. And I learned in a leadership class that there is great value in just holding space and attitude when change is underway. I do not give any indications, energy, or support to the status quo. I simply exude that these changes will be okay. Everyone is likely to survive and life will be better for all on the other side. Parent
Vermont freaked out about the F-35, everyone survived...even though that damn thing is bleeding the budget to death, but Texas and the Army and special operations will survive this too. And a Colonel has to talk to the people. He'll be a better Colonel for it. He's standing on the wall in special operations, these probably aren't his first loons and they probably won't be his last...if he handles this well they definitely won't be his last :) Parent
Fascinating getting Josh's perspective. He feels horribly for the main character so far, and how nobody really gives a damn about him. Parent
A book that decades ago had American right-wing conservatives up in arms, in more ways than one, because of it's pacifistic anti-war themes.. Parent
Coming as this shocking result does in Alberta, which has heretofore been a very reliable Progressive Conservative stronghold, and with federal parliamentary elections to be called by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper no later than this fall, the Conservative government in Ottawa looks quite vulnerable right now.
If his polling numbers continue to tank I think there is a decent chance he will decide to punt and throw his weight behind his political ally Rubio. I think Rubio would be an acceptable surrogate for the Bush/Neo-con cabal. Again just a gut feeling, conjecture on my part. Parent
Of course the other commenter is right. Money loves him. But there is no shortage of money. Parent
But that ego also could cause him to quit. Of course if he quits the money people in the GOP are going to be raving made because they have thrown money down the drain. Parent
If Bush's ego will not allow him to take crushing defeats in the early primary I can see him throwing his weight behind Rubio with the money boys right behind. Saying Bush who? Parent
Can the president say something nice about the cop? No.
Can the president say something about the freedom of speech or that sanctions on blasphemy have no place in a free society? No.
Can the president say anything about this ISIS inspired attack? No.
Can the president even manage an unkind word about the weapons the two attackers used? No.
Such leadership. With no racial divisions to enflame, what's a guy gonna do? .
Can the president even manage an unkind word about the weapons the two attackers used?
Besides I am sure his advisors have told him to refrain from even mentioning anything regarding Texas until the takeover is complete. Loose lips sinks ships after all. Parent
The White House on Tuesday called a shooting outside a "Draw Muhammad" contest in Texas "an attempted terrorist attack" but said it was too early to say whether the incident is tied to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Press secretary Josh Earnest said the shooting is still under investigation by the FBI and intelligence agencies, and it's premature to say ISIS has reached U.S. shores. He praised law enforcement for their actions to "foil what appears to be an attempted terrorist attack." Earnest said the Obama administration is "very vigilant about the efforts" of extremist groups to recruit Americans to carry out attacks in the U.S. Asked whether it was appropriate to draw depictions of the prophet Muhammad, which Muslims find offensive, Earnest said it's not a judgment for the administration to make. "There is no expression, however offensive, that justified an act of terrorism or even an act of violence," he said.
The White House on Tuesday called a shooting outside a "Draw Muhammad" contest in Texas "an attempted terrorist attack" but said it was too early to say whether the incident is tied to the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).
Press secretary Josh Earnest said the shooting is still under investigation by the FBI and intelligence agencies, and it's premature to say ISIS has reached U.S. shores.
He praised law enforcement for their actions to "foil what appears to be an attempted terrorist attack." Earnest said the Obama administration is "very vigilant about the efforts" of extremist groups to recruit Americans to carry out attacks in the U.S.
Asked whether it was appropriate to draw depictions of the prophet Muhammad, which Muslims find offensive, Earnest said it's not a judgment for the administration to make.
"There is no expression, however offensive, that justified an act of terrorism or even an act of violence," he said.
And now you're a**-hurt because he had some personal opinions that you obviously disagreed with in the past.
Keep fighting against the Kenyan Ursurper, Triple-A, you'll be able to convince us one of these days that the latest regurgitations from Faux Noise have some merit to them
Not. Parent
I'll tell what he's not gonna do, ever please the truly demented, from eating a hotdog to wearing his lapel pin, the idiot brigade would rather die than say Obama has done one thing right.
If only I could remember an entire network, and its pin-headed disciples screaming bloody murder about all the America haters who dissed their own president.
But I guess that only applies when republicans are in the White House, which thankfully will not happen in the foreseeable future.
More nutery please. Parent
Pretty sure that's what the "penalty phase" of this investigation is going to result in. Parent
An N.F.L. investigation has found that "it is more probable than not" that New England Patriots personnel intentionally deflated footballs to gain an advantage in the A.F.C. championship game last season, and that Tom Brady, the Super Bowl most valuable player, was probably aware of it.
Not exactly scathing, a lot of maybes and nothing most people didn't already know. But good to see the NFL release the report days after the draft.
I guessing winning the Super Bowl proves that you are the best and that cheating doesn't really matter so long as you can prove you didn't need to. And the most important thing to remembered, the packers beat them in the regular season. Parent
The judicially approved civil jury instructions in California now use the phrase "more probable than not" as the burden of proof in civil cases...
So, by that standard, Pats and Brady would be civilly liable.....Go sue 'em! Parent
See here.
For example, on October 17, 2014, following a Thursday night game between the Patriots and the New York Jets during which Tom Brady complained angrily about the inflation level of the game balls, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages: McNally: Tom sucks...im going make that next ball a fkin balloon Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done... Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though... Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs fked us...a few of then were at almost 16 Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them McNally: Fk tom ...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday Jastremski: Omg! Spaz On October 21, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages: McNally: Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before sunday Jastremski: Omg
McNally: Tom sucks...im going make that next ball a fkin balloon Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done... Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though... Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs fked us...a few of then were at almost 16 Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them McNally: Fk tom ...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday Jastremski: Omg! Spaz
Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done...
Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though...
Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs fked us...a few of then were at almost 16
Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them
McNally: Fk tom ...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday
Jastremski: Omg! Spaz
On October 21, 2014, McNally and Jastremski exchanged the following text messages:
McNally: Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before sunday Jastremski: Omg
Jastremski: Omg
On October 23, 2014, three days before a Sunday game against the Chicago Bears, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages:
Jastremski: Can‟t wait to give you your needle this week :) McNally: Fk tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....fkin watermelons coming Jastremski: So angry McNally: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating The next day, October 24, 2014, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages: Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday McNally: Fk tom Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
McNally: Fk tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....fkin watermelons coming
Jastremski: So angry
McNally: The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating
The next day, October 24, 2014, Jastremski and McNally exchanged the following messages:
Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday McNally: Fk tom Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday
McNally: Fk tom
Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
I have to wonder if he ever carried out his threat to give Tom some watermelons.
I would go far as saying that Brady's part seems to be more than probable, and nearing 'beyond any reasonable doubt' territory. Parent
On the news they said Tom refused to allow the NFL to examine his text messages. I get that, but it does not help his claim, at all.
I was also surprised to hear them discussing how hard the NFL will come down on him. I don't expect them to do anything but tarnish his reputation for a year. Parent
But otherwise, the NFL only suggests that Brady asked / ordered that it be done, based on an exchange of text messages between him and two lower-tier members of the team's staff, Jim McNally (locker room attendant) and John Jastremski (equipment assistant).
Rather, the report almost too conveniently pins responsibility squarely upon those two poor schmucks and dutifully sites them in the league's crosshairs, thus providing us with the primary fall guys here. Their days of basking vicariously in the Patriots' reflected glory are probably at an end, although it certainly wouldn't surprise me if the team takes care of them in other ways.
Brady should rightly be facing a suspension by the NFL of a fairly decent interval, but I honestly don't know whether that will ever happen, given his standing as one of the league's marquee names and individual commodities. And I further find it hard to believe that nobody up the Patriots' chain of command -- particularly Belechick -- ever knew about what was going on here.
But the bottom line here is that the Patriots cheated. Maybe they didn't have to, given their level of talent, but they did anyway. And they got caught, even though the NFL likely really didn't want to do that and would probably have let it go, had not the Indianapolis Colts forced the league's hand by filing an initial complaint with game officials.
Just trying something here..... Parent
Walter Peyton - Jim Brown - Barry Sanders
Would love to say Emmitt but won't use my Gator bias. Parent
You know who we both left out? Someone who had power, speed, size, grace. Someone who had broken all the records of his day. A track star with very good speed. Probably the best talent of them all with perhaps the exception of Jim Brown.
OJ Simpson has disappeared from football.....No one thinks of OJ when running backs are discussed. It is as if he never played. When OJ is mentioned, his crimes are what one thinks of. People have forgotten he actually played football.
The NFL can make Tom Brady disappear too.....(and, no, what he did is not as bad but he cheated, and the NFL may not take kindly to that.) Parent
Lary Csonka. Parent
More reason to dislike Pats....
Pete Rose did not make it into the Hall of Fame....and he didn't cheat during the games he played. Parent