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    If Republicans are rightly concerned about ... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 01:28:17 PM EST
    ... alienating vast swaths of the female electorate in 2016, according the the New York Times' Jeremy W. Peters, why, they could solve that problem by supporting the candidacy of Carly Fiorina, who "took a big stride toward filling a role her party badly needs: a credible antidote to the gender gap and the Democrats' claims of a Republican 'war on women'":

    "The question, as many Republicans see it, is whether they can seize on the opening. A series of events building on the horizon threatens to feed into efforts by the Democrats to paint the Republican Party as tone-deaf on women's issues.

    "Republicans in Congress are threatening a government shutdown in a dispute over funding Planned Parenthood. The government's spending authority expires in less than two weeks, and many conservatives have threatened to vote against a new budget if it includes any money for the organization.

    "In a separate move, Senate Republicans are moving quickly to schedule a vote on legislation that would impose a federal ban on abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy. It would be the most restrictive abortion bill to reach the Senate floor in a decade. Similar laws across the country are facing legal challenges from women's groups that argue they are unconstitutional."

    Never mind, of course, that Ms. Fiorina herself openly champions these very same policies which most women find so abhorrent and intrusive. She wears a skirt and high heels, and apparently per Peters' way of thinking, that should be sufficient to satisfy the fairer sex and counter the challenge offered by Democrats in general, and Hillary Clinton in particular.

    Well, as long as we're typecasting women as such flighty, superficial creatures and empty vessels, perhaps what they also desire is for their menfolk to pat them patronizingly on their pretty little heads and reassure them that there's really no need to worry themselves silly about such matters and rather, they should be more concerned with getting dinner on the table on time because after a hard day at the office, dammit, we're famished. (Cue eyes rolling to back of skull.)

    It's not even 8:30 a.m. out here, and already I'm tempted to do tequila shooters.

    :-(

    Donald, off your current topic, but (none / 0) (#3)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 01:48:45 PM EST
    what can you tell us about Honolulu's draconian measures against their homeless population, and the subsequent ACLU lawsuit?  
    This is what's I read:

    In just one unannounced sweep in Kaka'ako, on November 13, 2014, City officials seized and destroyed the Plaintiffs' property, including their food, childrenʻs toys, prescription medications, and government identification documents....City workers have repeatedly refused to allow property owners to retrieve necessary personal belongings like medications and identification documents, instead threatening them with arrest if they interfere with the sweep.

    Link.

    It sounds absolutely inhumane and horrifying.  What are the general feelings about Honolulu's measures in the islands?

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    It's become a major issue in Honolulu. (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:44:59 PM EST
    Here on the Big Island, it's not nearly so bad. The major problem underscoring the plight of the homeless in Honolulu is the very real shortage of affordable housing on the island of Oahu.

    Unfortunately, Honolulu Mayor Kirk Caldwell has instituted a policy which he calls "Compassionate Disruption," which has resulted in little more than giving the authorities license to chase the homeless from locale to locale, particularly driving them from areas where heaven forbid, tourists might see them and start asking questions. You're right, the policy is both draconian and from my perspective, inhumane.

    The problem of homelessness could be resolved relatively quickly and easily, if both the city and state officials would take proactive steps to provide for the development of thousands of affordable housing units. There's no getting around the fact that this will cost money. We're not going to solve the issue on the cheap.

    Further, they should institute policies which discourage developers from developing expensive luxury condominiums in the Kakaako district for self-indulgent mainland and Asian investors. To this date, none of this appears to be forthcoming.

    Hawaii taxpayers have spent several hundred million dollars over the last two decades for upgrades to that district's infrastructure, with the implicit understanding that Kakaako would be redeveloped as a livable and affordable urban design community. Instead, it's clearly turned into little more than a taxpayer-subsidized real estate venture for the very wealthy.

    It's been very discouraging to watch from all this from a policy wonk's standpoint and personally, I sincerely hope that the ACLU cleans the City & County of Honolulu's clock. Oahu has endured nearly nine years of irresponsibly jackassery masquerading as political leadership, dating back to the administration of Muliufi Hannemann. This has saddled the City & County with enormous fiscal problems, not the least of which is a projected $1.1 billion cost overrun on the still-under-construction rail project.

    If Oahu voters / taxpayers are stupid enough to keep returning clowns like Hannemann and Caldwell -- who was Hannemann's managing director before succeeding him -- to the mayor's office, then by all rights they should have to foot the bill covering the attendant costs to such incompetence and foolishness. And in my opinion, the ACLU lawsuit is as good a place to start the public invoicing as any.

    Aloha.

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    There is a similar situation in the Florida Keys (none / 0) (#29)
    by ragebot on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 04:10:41 PM EST
    Cashiers at the local supermarkets frequently live in Homestead on the mainland and take a bus ride fifty miles plus to get to Marathon.  Same is true for many other workers.  There is a single road, US1, running through the Keys to the mainland and a simple fender bender can cause a traffic jam; a more serious accident, God forbid on a bridge, can delay traffic for hours.  Water, sewage, and garbage disposal are all problematical.

    When my family moved there in the 1960s my Dad got a reasonably nice house (which at my Mothers insistence was the lowest priced house in the neighborhood) and when he moved in the middle 1970s sold it for an order of magnitude more than what he paid for it.  Interestingly we knew a retired US Navy captain who was stationed at Pearl and bought a nice house on the North Shore with the plan to retire there.  But he could not turn down an offer from a guy from Japan who offered $US17,000,000 for what was basically a beach cottage.

    At one time it was quite affordable to live in the Keys, but what changed was the increase in population.  I suspect it was similar in the islands where Donald lives.  As population increases the incremental cost of supporting a single person increases.

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    Not at all (none / 0) (#106)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 09:04:02 PM EST

    As population increases the incremental cost of supporting a single person increases.

    Not really. Economies of scale reduce marginal costs.

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    The old supply & demand thing (none / 0) (#114)
    by NYShooter on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 10:34:35 AM EST
    "As population increases" (demand,) cost will be a function of whether supply increases adequately enough to meet that demand.  

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    Thank you for your thoughts (none / 0) (#50)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 06:23:30 PM EST
    And I, too, hope that the ACLU cleans their clock.  
    I agree with what you have said.

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    Too bad (none / 0) (#56)
    by MKS on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:54:56 PM EST
    I saw the HPD be real sweet to the homeless on Waikiki at dawn--heh, how are doing today?

    They were just gently trying to get them up and moving.....I was impressed....

     

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    "What do we got for entertainment? (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 02:30:45 PM EST
    Cops kickin' gypsies on the pavement."

    - Joe Strummer

    Mea Culpa my dear Zorba...please know when I comment that young people don't fear socialism like old people do, I am not referring to the forebearers of today's lefties...the ahead of their time Beats and Hippies of the 1950's, 60's and 70's.  I am referring to your tormentor peers.  If not for you and your lot fighting a rising conservative authoritarian tide, I can't imagine how much f8cked up this country would be today.  Thank you and yours old pal!

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    No es problema, mi amigo (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:14:05 PM EST
    Yes, those were "interesting" times, to say the least, and we (now old) hippies/lefties/protesters had many of our own generation, and the older generation, totally opposed to us.
    Namaste, my brother.

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    I Rememeber... (none / 0) (#10)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 02:41:01 PM EST
    ...one of the things that I thought was so progressive about Hawaii was their huge homeless camp, off the tourist destination paths, but a place where they could go without be hassled, a home if you will.

    We used to have a couple in Houston, under the freeways until that land became available.  What is wrong with these people, do they think kicking them out will magically make them disappear.  They are homeless for gods sake.

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    Harassment of the Homeless... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:05:56 PM EST
    seems the worst in tourist destinations...S. Florida is bad too in this regard, Las Vegas, and of course NYC.

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    They are homeless (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 02:43:50 PM EST
    And on an island.  Limited choices.

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    They don't care, Scott (none / 0) (#49)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 06:17:42 PM EST
    "Out of sight, out of mind."
    Seriously makes me question their humanity.


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    As long as we're going off-topic, ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 04:57:43 PM EST
    ... anyone who's concerned about the not-unrelated issues of homelessness and affordable housing should rightly be aghast at the prospect of this U.S. Supreme Court taking up the California Building Association's challenge to the City of San José's inclusionary zoning laws.

    The CBA opposes any and all mandates that require a percentage of units in new housing projects to be discounted for low-income families. They claim that that leveraging such below-market-rate units from developers as an explicit condition of their building permits amounts to an illegal "taking" of private property by the government.

    When the California Supreme Court unanimously rejected that argument last June, Chief Justice Tani Cantil-Sakauye noted that the severe shortage of affordable housing across the state provides city officials with a more than sufficient rationale for enacting such laws:

    "It will come as no surprise to anyone familiar with California`s current housing market that the significant problems arising from a scarcity of affordable housing have not been solved over the past three decades. Rather, these problems have become more severe and have reached what might be described as epic proportions in many of the state`s localities."

    Indeed, that's exactly the point California's State Legislative Analyst Mac Taylor was making, in his meticulous March 2015 report to state legislators and the general public about the impact of the state's high housing costs. To date, there are roughly 170 cities across California that have enacted inclusionary zoning policies, which allow developers to opt out by paying into a fund that would finance affordable units elsewhere.

    (It should also be noted that such laws often only apply to those developers who are requesting that city officials amend or upgrade the zoning of a particular parcel under consideration, e.g., as from agricultural to residential or apartment / mixed use, so that it can be developed accordingly.)

    If SCOTUS agrees to review the California case, however, it could stall the momentum around such municipal plans to provide for more affordable housing in local communities, not just in California but also in places like Honolulu and Chicago, where developers have filed a similar lawsuit challenging the latter's inclusionary housing ordinance.

    And if SCOTUS should then somehow end up agreeing with these developers, it could drastically alter and curtail efforts by cities and municipalities to increase the supply of affordable housing within their communities.

    Let's hope that SCOTUS decides otherwise and lets such inclusionary housing laws stand.

    Aloha.

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    The builders will just pass (none / 0) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 12:55:28 PM EST
    along the costs not covered by the dictated "low price" housing to the other renters/buyers.

    It's just a tax by another name.

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    Rent and sales price (none / 0) (#84)
    by sj on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 01:34:49 PM EST
    for the unencumbered units will be governed by the market. And the builders/sellers will always try to get the best price they can. So is that market driven capitalism or taxation?

    Never mind, I forgot who I was talking to. And this is the only meal you get from me.

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    Taxes are part of the cost of doing business (none / 0) (#91)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 02:39:34 PM EST
    And while the market will help govern what a willing buyer will pay, the price is still established by cost and the desired/necessary profit margin of the builder. That is the builder obviously has an expected price and ROI and this is accepted by the people who loan the builder the money to build. If the bank doesn't loan the builder can't build.

    So right up front the builder has to price the units in a manner acceptable to the bank.

    I have no problem with subsidized housing but government should be transparent about it and try not to hide what it is doing.

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    Not enough information (none / 0) (#115)
    by NYShooter on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 11:07:18 AM EST
    All municipalities have established, "Master Plans," laying out how future growth should be managed. These Master Plans are the result of years of study & input by experts in the field of Urban Planning (if we're talking about cities.) When the city "Fathers" are satisfied with the final, debated & negotiated package, it is put up to the citizens for public input, then a vote.
    The Master Plan is the Town's governing instrument that determines zoning rules. So, what I'm saying, or asking, is shouldn't that be what determines what gets built?

    Hypothetically, suppose there's a vacant parcel of land that's very desirable because it sits on a bluff, and overlooks the ocean. That would be ideal property for high-end residential homes, and would be priced accordingly. If I'm a developer, and pay a premium price for the land is it fair for the government to then tell me I can't build what I planned on building, but have to build lower priced homes?

    I'm all for setting aside lands to accommodate lower income families. But, that should be done in advance, and the price differential should be borne by all taxpayers. Demanding a developer to "eat" the profit reduction is unfair on its face.

    Maybe Mr. Mac Taylor addressed this issue in his analysis, but I wasn't going to read a multi-thousand word report to find out.

    Can you clarify this for us?

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    Having re-read what I just wrote, ... (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 05:39:03 PM EST
    ... I realized that I inadvertently sidestepped your question regarding the rights of developers and landowners to develop their properties as they see fit. As I see it, there is no such prevailing right in a democracy.

    Rather, as a landowner, you have the right to develop your property in accordance with not only standing and applicable state and federal laws, but also with any corresponding county and municipal ordinances. Should your plans not be in accordance with those laws and ordinances, elected officials may amend the law so that your plans are in compliance. Should they choose not to do so, then they have an obligation to reject your plans until such time as they do conform with prevailing legal standards.

    In zoning, a "taking" would likely involve a given property's downgrade from an urban to a rural designation, or from residential to agricultural, provided that such a downgrade was enacted in reaction to a landowner's plan for that property.

    And in that regard, I'd note that landowners themselves will often seek such zoning downgrades temporarily as a means to reduce their tax liability, until such time as their plans may be finalized. In Hawaii, that practice of tax relief is called "landbanking," and the public justifiably gets riled up when that occurs. After all, once such development plans are finalized, should we therefore demand that the landowner then compensate the city for any tax revenues last as a result of such landbanking, for the period during which the parcel was downgraded?

    However, to use your hypothetical about a landowner seeking to develop a picturesque cliffside parcel exclusively for high-end clientele, elected officials are under no standing obligation to rezone that particular parcel in accordance with the landowner's private development plans. If they choose to do so, they have every right to impose conditions on such an approval as they see fit. Inclusionary housing laws fall under that category.

    If a landowner's plans are already in full compliance with the prevailing zoning for that parcel, and a city council or planning department decides to impose extraneous and additional demands for affordable rentals as a condition for the issuance of building permits, that would likely constitute a taking under the current law. The landowner would have every right to complain or demand fair compensation from the city for complying with the conditions.

    But that's not what happened in San José, as far as I can tell. From what I understand, developers sought a change in local zoning, and the city invoked its inclusionary zoning ordinance as a condition for its granting of a variance and subsequent approval of any building permits.

    In a democracy, city residents have every right to determine how their communities are to be developed, within reason of course. And as long as everything is done in accordance to the law, the rights of a property owner should be subservient to that interest. Any thoughts to the contrary are, in my own estimation, positively feudal.

    Finally, I must take issue with your statement about "setting aside lands to accommodate lower income families." As we've seen time and again in the history of urban development, that's what leads to the gradual creation of ghettos, that is, a place so designated for "those people" to live. The healthy community of today is a mixed community, where people of differing socio-economic backgrounds and standings live amongst each other within a fully integrated environment. The idea of a "gated community" for exclusive use by wealthy residents is wholly anathema to that concept.

    Aloha.

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    First off, not all municipalities ... (none / 0) (#121)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 04:36:02 PM EST
    ... necessarily have master plans. Second, of those that do, it would behoove their residents to inquire as to when exactly those master plans were first adopted or last amended, because time and circumstances can often render such plans obsolete and even downright foolish, if they're not reviewed every once in a while and updated accordingly.

    And having studied urban and community planning myself, I would advocate that counties also adopt their own respective master plans, rather than leave that important task solely up to the individual municipalities inside the county lines.

    Orange County, CA stands today as a prime example of urban sprawl in all its glorious excess, with cities such as Irvine not even in existence when I was born 54 years ago, because the county failed to do its own master planning and preserve at least some of its otherwise prime agricultural lands from rapacious development. What may have been marketed as an urban inspiration fifty years ago, now looks today to have instead been driven by pervasive greed and willful myopia on the part of landowners, developers and public officials, given the admitted benefit of our own hindsight.

    Further, what urban planners once deemed appropriate and acceptable in an earlier era may not even be legally applicable today. For example, La Jolla, CA's master plan had a covenant that precluded residents and realtors from selling property within city limits to Jews and people of color. And the master plans of my old hometown of Pasadena allowed for development to occur in both flood plains and natural fire zones, with rather disastrous results in 1969 and 1994, respectively.

    Finally, master plans as adopted and enacted are not gospel and sacrosanct. Elected officials often have the authority per their community's municipal charter and ordinances to grant variances to prevailing zoning as they may see fit. as do California residents themselves via the processes of initiative and referendum.

    If you're at all interested in the subject of planning and California's current housing shortage, I would urge you to read Mac Taylor's enlightening report.

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    Paul Krugman (NYT September 18) (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 02:50:24 PM EST
    has been considering what was said at the Reagan Cathedral, and "he is terrified."  To think that one of these candidates might make it to the White House is more than scary--these creatures are living in a world of fantasies and fiction.

    Some are willing to advance their ambitions with outright lies.  Christie seems to have been a piker, just saying once again, and still untrue, that he was federal prosecutor at the time of 9/ll.

    The "winner" of the debate, Carly Fiorina, takes the prize, from her Horatio Alger Secretary (Privileged background, her father was Dean of Law at Duke, Kelly Services during college summers), to CEO (failed business record presented  as a success, to those images she saw of a fetus-- legs kicking, heart beating, waiting to harvest the brain).  

    It seems to work for her, for now,  but a true believer would not refer to the "fetus," she should have said "baby."  And, fact checking is so an hour ago.  

    Dr. Krugman found the only candidate who seemed remotely sensible on national security to be Rand Paul, which he sees as almost as disturbing a spectacle as Trump being the only voice of economic reason (based on Trump countering Carson that gradated  income tax is not socialism.)

    In a same page NYT opinion piece, David Brooks, the "sensible" conservative, wrings his hands over the continuing prospects of Trump.  What is a poor Republican to do?  And what is a poor Republican to do when Trump implodes, as he still thinks?

    The fall-back, ( ! ) has fallen.  Republicans must now look to Fiorina, Rubio, and maybe, Christie.   But, Brooks is concerned that Fiorina has that awful business track record and may not be right for president. But, she is just right for vice president.  With Rubio at the top of the Republican ticket.  Republican, thy name is desperation.  Country, thy concern is the Republicans.

    Terrrfying (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by FlJoe on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 04:48:49 PM EST
    indeed. I think Professor K is wrong here,
    The real revelation on Wednesday, however, was the way some of the candidates went beyond expounding bad analysis and peddling bad history to making outright false assertions

    no revelation here, lying is SOP for the GOP.

    I watched the debate expecting lies, that's why the momentary moments of truthiness from Paul and Trump stand out. I think the real revelation is how smoothly and calmly they delivered the lies, in front of millions of voters and the entire media.

    It's like they know they won't be called on it.

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    given St Ronnie's penchant for playing fast and (none / 0) (#80)
    by Molly Bloom on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 11:59:59 AM EST
    loose with facts, is anyone suprised?

    Reagan: "Can we abandon this country [South Africa] that has stood beside us in every war we've ever fought?"

    Reagan: "We are not trying to do anything to try and overthrow the Nicaraguan government."

    Reagan: "You have to remember, we don't have the military industrial complex that we once had, when President Eisenhower spoke about it."

    Reagan: "Those [nuclear weapons] that are carried in ships of one kind or another, or submersibles, you are dealing there with a conventional type of weapon or instrument, and those instruments can be intercepted. They can be recalled."

    Reagan: "Incidentally, the first man who proposed the nuclear freeze was in February 21, 1981, in Moscow--Leonid Brezhnev."

    Reagan: "The percentage of your earnings the federal government took in taxes in 1960 has almost doubled."

    Reagan: "And it costs HEW three dollars in overhead to deliver one dollar to a needy person in this country."

    Reagan: "Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal."

    Reagan: "As governor of California, I took charge of passing the strictest air pollution laws in the United States..."

    Reagan: "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do."

    Reagan: "There haven't been cutbacks in funding for public education."

    There is more here and here for those in a nostaglic mood as well as those who are not old enough to remember.  


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    Telling lies (none / 0) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 05:39:56 PM EST
    is what politicians do.

    And the above list has 1063 lies that Obama has told.

    And they just love it when one side spends all its energy protesting the lies that the other side has told.

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    Actually, it's not a list (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by jondee on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 10:04:57 PM EST
    of 1063 "lies" per se..

    Which just goes to show that Jim can't even discuss other people's lies without lying.


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    to caseyOR in the last open thread... (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 04:34:11 PM EST
    Cubs Fever - catch it!

    That was exciting last night, I am daring to hope...love Maddon's attitude about the Cards too. Let's take them down! Cubs ahead 8-3 in the 8th at the moment!

    Cubs win. Beat Cards 8-3. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by caseyOR on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:10:08 PM EST
    It is always a good day when the Cubs beat the Cards.

    And how about that Starlin Castro? He hit two home runs with runners on base resulting in 6 runs batted in.

    GO, CUBS!!!!!!!!!

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    Well, Pittsburgh 2nd baseman Jung Ho Kang ... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:00:26 PM EST
    ... caught it, and is now out for the rest of the season with a broken leg and wrecked knee.

    Now, I can't fault Cubs baserunner Chris Coghlan, who was trying to break up a double play by sliding out of the base path to take out Kang before he can complete the throw to first base. After all, that sort of play has been part of baseball since before we were born.

    But after watching yesterday's violent collision between Coghlan and Kang on TV replay, I would hope the MLB executives will now reconsider changing the rules to disallow such a play as a means to better protect the infielder. Coghlan's goal was to take Kang out for that play; instead, he inadvertently sidelined him for the remainder of the season, as well as the postseason.

    (And as part of any such rule change, umpires would need to pay much closer attention to the play on the field, to ensure that the 2nd baseman or shortstop actually has a foot on the bag when he receives the ball to force out the baserunner coming from first base. Because all too often, it looks like the infielder is merely in the vicinity of second base when the runner's called out, and he's pivoting to throw to first.)

    It would not be unlike what they did a few years ago, when they prohibiting the deliberate targeting of a catcher by a baserunner barreling toward home plate, who's seeking to dislodge the ball from the catcher's grasp.

    Aloha.

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    Please, (none / 0) (#83)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 01:06:56 PM EST
    There is limited physical contact in baseball, tough , hard nosed ballplayers are prized, really, how many infielders are hurt by a player sliding into second?
    I cannot remember any, there are so few.

    On a Sunday League team, I played shortstop and was knocked into left field trying to turn a double play, our coach asked me on the bench later was that a dirty hit (he was hinting at retaliation) , I said no, I should have just stepped off the bag and not tried to turn the double play.

    As far as the catchers ruling debacle, the ballplayer barreling into the catcher trying to dislodge the ball , only because the catcher was blocking the plate (as he should). Now the catcher is prohibited from blocking the plate.
    Tough hard nosed catchers would block the plate and challenge the runner , many times the ball would arrive after the runner, but the catcher successfully blocked the plate, the runner never touched home and was out.
    Catchers should be allowed to block the plate, at their own risk. I wasn't fond of that rule change either.

    Baseball does not have a problem with physical contact injuries. Clean hard play is being eliminated from the game.

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    That's just nonsense. (none / 0) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 04:05:10 AM EST
    Any steps MLB can take to protect players from unnecessary injury is good for baseball over the long term. The game was never intended to be a full-contact sport. The rule change to protect catchers came about for good reason.

    One of the most infamous collisions ever at home plate occurred at the 1970 All-Star Game, when the Reds' Pete Rose slammed into Indians catcher Ray Fosse to score the controversial winning run for the National League team, fracturing Fosse's shoulder in the process. The injury went undiagnosed for six weeks, and Fosse's once-promising baseball career subsequently languished as a result.

    In 2003, the Dodgers' Brian Jordan collided at home plate with Padres catcher Gary Bennett, who was hit so hard that when he tried to catch the next pitch he fell down and couldn't get back up. Bennett missed a month with a torn MCL.

    In 2005, the Angels' Darin Erstad planted his left shoulder into Braves catcher Johnny Estrada's facemask, sending Estrada to the hospital with a head injury. Estrada suffered from post-concussion syndrome for years afterward.

    When the Diamondbacks' Eric Byrnes buried his shoulder into Braves catcher Brian McCann during a 2006 collision, McCann had to be helped off the field afterward. He had only sprained his left ankle, and was placed on the 15-day disabled list. "I got lucky because my knee was not square," McCann later admitted. "Otherwise, I could have torn my ACL."

    In 2010, the Yankees' Mark Teixeira ran into Angels catcher Bobby Wilson with such force that Wilson's head hit the ground hard. He ended up on the 15-day disabled list with a severe concussion.

    In 2012, Astros catcher Humberto Quintero sprained his ankle in a collision while blocking the plate against the Diamondbacks third baseman Ryan Roberts. Quintero was placed on the 15-day disabled list.

    Also in 2012, the violent home-plate collision between the Marlins' Scott Cousins and Giants catcher Buster Posey ended the latter's season with a broken left leg and three torn ligaments in his ankle.

    Injuries are an inherent risk in any sport. But there are certain moments in a game when players are exposed and thus particularly vulnerable to injury from contact with another player. To the extent that such a risk can be reasonably mitigated, so much the better.

    Aloha.

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    Injuries are an inherent risk in any sport (none / 0) (#111)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 10:02:34 AM EST
    Exactly. And most injuries in baseball are incurred by non contact actions.

    The most courageous and admired actions in baseball is the middle infielder turning the double play, or the catcher denying the runner access to the plate, and can the runner move him off.

    I played the game, both positions, middle infield and catcher, and not for a paycheck, and have stood in to turn a doubleplay, and blocked the plate as catcher. Because it was how I was taught to play, clean and hardnosed.
    Oh, I guess it was inevitable, back in the day, with all us kids in the sandlot, the saying was , you have to play the field if you want to hit.
    Lol,
    No baseball is not the game it once was, and in most cases, not for the better.

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    I swear (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:39:17 PM EST
    sometimes I think the President kicks back and laughs when he makes Republican heads spin like Regan in the Exorcist.

    President Obama, in a historic first for the Pentagon, has chosen to nominate Eric Fanning to lead the Army, a move that would make him the first openly gay civilian secretary of one of the military services.


    Jinx (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:42:47 PM EST
    You just beat me-

    Buzzfeed-

    Obama Nominates Out Gay Man For Top Defense Position
    Eric Fanning could become the highest-ranking out gay man in the defense department.

    The operative word there being OUT.

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    Sometimes their heads spin (none / 0) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:49:30 PM EST
    for the damnedest reasons. Bristol Palin is bent out of shape that the President invited the clock maker to the White House saying it inflames racial tensions. Guess she'd prefer he invited a reality TV show flop that seeks attention?

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    I have never disliked Obama (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:52:31 PM EST
    But sometimes I like him a lot.   This is one of those times.

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    ... I see a twice-knocked up professional virgin.
    ;-D

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    Sam Nunn's head (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by sj on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 04:33:49 PM EST
    must be in tatters by now with all the exploding it has had to do.

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    And, his buddy, (none / 0) (#118)
    by KeysDan on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 03:25:06 PM EST
    General Colin Powell.   Although, both have "evolved."

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    Question: (none / 0) (#78)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 11:29:37 AM EST
    How can you tell when a Republican's head is spinning?  Hard to see anything different from the usual and customary.

    Eric Fanning, the nominee, is an experienced hand at the Pentagon. The Dartmouth graduate has been chief of staff to Ashton Carter, acting undersecretary of the Army, undersecretary of the Air Force, deputy undersecretary of the Navy, and deputy chief management officer of the Navy.  

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    KeysDan, the spinning heads (none / 0) (#86)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 01:39:44 PM EST
    Of  the two Republicans at my gym, the older than me ex Marine, and the retired criminal defense and civil lawyer, seem  to have slowed down.  They were both throughly disappointed in all the candidates at the debate in  Simi Valley.  Of course they still think Obama and Hillary are the worst to ever hold their respective offices.

    Curiously the retired Boston lawyer said he's heard evidence that the man in the white t shirt, at The Donald's next speech, was a plant.  The one that said Obama was a Muslim and there were Muslim training camps in the U S, disappeared immediately after that statement.  He said since it was a statement and not a question,  that is the reason he may have been a plant.  If true it's appalling that The Donald is still harboring birther and Muslim thoughts about Obama.  You may still be needed to conduct a civics lecture to the Marine and the civil lawyer.  They have turned into baby Barracudas.

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    Gee Fishcamp (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 03:49:39 PM EST
    you have some tough nuts to crack (no pun intended).  Of course, you could note that that audience guy did actually pose a question, and a doozy at that.  "We have a problem in this country, it's called Muslims, YOU know our current president is one.  YOU know he's not even an American, We have training camps growing where they want to kill us.   ---When can we get rid of them?"  

    Trump did not correct any part of this statement/question. He is belatedly saying that he did not see any need to defend Obama.  OK. not Obama, he is just the president of the US and not running for election,  but what about that "getting rid of them part"?

    Trump tried his usual stuff to answer, but did not realize in time that he wound up validating the premise of the question and the audience guy's "getting rid of them." And,  the expression, getting rid of them, is not usually associated with something benign.

     Trump would have been better off saying he mis-heard.  He though he said muslin--and guy was asking about bleached or unbleached.   Then, your gym guys would have been in a better position to defend Trump.

    A plant?  does not matter.  Trump called on the guy and let hims speak.  Even a rookie comedian (and Trump is an experienced one) knows how to handle the obnoxious/heckler/drunk in the back row, if that was the case.

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    The plant (none / 0) (#92)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 03:20:38 PM EST
    I have also seen this.  For one thing, at least the last time I checked, no one had been able to find the guy.

    But a plant by who?

    By Donaldto bump Carly from the headlines?  By someone else to make him look bad?

    Most seem to understand, or possibly believe, that if those are your beliefs you would be smart enough about it to know not to state it quite in that way with the cameras running.

    Glen Beck is busy pushing the theory that Donald himself and his campaign are a plant.   Intended to discredit the tea party.

    Which assumes the TP ever had any credit.  I suppose.

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    Calling oculus (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 06:00:26 PM EST
    New York City Production of 'The Mikado' Canceled Following Accusations of Racism

    scuse me while I wipe the vodka that came out my nose off the iPad.

    Then the anounce they were going to replace it with Pirates of Penzance.

    So I would like to be the first to express outrage over the stereotypical portrayal of British Tarz.
    LINK

    Every time someone mentions (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 06:04:51 PM EST
    The Pirates of Penzance, I think of Julia Roberts.

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    CG, every time someone (none / 0) (#88)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 01:49:11 PM EST
    Mentions The Pirates of Penzance, I think of the vast amounts of Mead, the honey wine, my film crew and I  drank,  in the actual town of Penzance, England.  Very bad hangover stuff.

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    Thank you. I would (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:50:54 PM EST
    have missed this breaking news.  Although I did get to watch the Met HD of Eugene Onegin on a flight yesterday. Nice surprise.

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    I remember Eugene (none / 0) (#93)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 03:28:01 PM EST
    Onegin-offagain-Onegin his wife called him.

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    He had no wife but she (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 06:04:25 PM EST
    Had a husband. Yet another tragedy. This.one by Pushkin.

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    More Catholic than the Pope, Part MMCMLIV: (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:12:32 PM EST
    In this episode, Arizona Congressman Paul Gosar (R-God's Own) -- an avowed Roman Catholic -- announces that he'll boycott Pope Francis' upcoming address before a joint session of Congress because, you know, climate change, socialist talking points and leftist policies:

    "Media reports indicate His Holiness instead intends to focus the brunt of his speech on climate change -- a climate that has been changing since first created in Genesis. More troubling is the fact that this climate change talk has adopted all of the socialist talking points, wrapped false science and ideology into 'climate justice' and is being presented to guilt people into leftist policies. If the Pope stuck to standard Christian theology, I would be the first in line. If the Pope spoke out with moral authority against violent Islam, I would be there cheering him on. If the Pope urged the Western nations to rescue persecuted Christians in the Middle East, I would back him wholeheartedly. But when the Pope chooses to act and talk like a leftist politician, then he can expect to be treated like one."

    Your takeaway quote:

    "If the Pope wants to devote his life to fighting climate change, then he can do so in his personal time."

    (Sigh!) I suppose one could hope that since Congressman Gosar chooses to act like a damned fool, voters in his district will treat him like one the next time they go to the polls. Then again, this IS Arizona, and you can't spell "crazy" these days without the "AZ."

    What a maroon!

    For some reason, my hand reached out (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by christinep on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:17:18 PM EST
    and called Gosar's office in DC today.  Based upon the response (actually, a surprisingly courteous person in view of my ranting), I'd say that the responder had already fielded a number of calls, and so indicated.  The "holier than thou ... holier than Pope Francis" knocked me for a loop.  That yahoo Gosar, who calls himself a Catholic, wants to dictate to the Pope whether the Pontiff should make moral observations about climate change, etc.  What I stated to the Office is that this Gosar ought to have both the diplomatic courtesy of an elected official to listen before his own condemnatory remarks and the understanding that--as a Catholic--he should have the humbleness to listen to what Pope Francis might offer.

    Darn ... I am rarely so offended.  (And, I almost couldn't believe myself when suggesting to the polite office person that "maybe, just maybe, the Congressman should consider his claim to be Catholic, and reconsider, and go to Confession.  Yep, I was ticked by this Prescott nut.)

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    And, the Pope (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 11:33:33 AM EST
    will address Congress in English.  Gosar should be pleased that it will not be in Spanish, although Gosar may not comprehend much of what the Pope says--in any language.

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    I was very surprised (none / 0) (#94)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 03:31:51 PM EST
    The Pope decided to go ahead with his appearance considering hiw critical is the attendance of congressman whatshisname

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    Looks (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by FlJoe on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 07:58:58 AM EST
    like Jeb is going for the full history re-write
    "I know how to do this because, yes, I am a Bush," he said. "I happened to see two really good presidents develop relationships with other countries."

    Shorter Bush: "I can not escape the stupid in my genes, so I will redefine and embrace it"

    Political cartoonist, (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by KeysDan on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 03:36:55 PM EST
    Mike Lukovich, nails it:  Jeb commending his brother, W, with a too familiar, "heck uva job Brownie."

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    I Was Trying to Locate... (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 21, 2015 at 09:02:09 AM EST
    ...a cartoon I saw last week in regards to Jeb stating that George kept us safe, cannot find it, but THIS unrelated cartoon is hilarious.

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    Cue Monty Python... (none / 0) (#95)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 03:36:08 PM EST
    Ohhhhh, I'm an idiot and I'm ok...

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    The Eighth Circuit (none / 0) (#1)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 01:09:00 PM EST
    Temporarily bars the government from enforcing the birth control mandate under ACA

    Enhancing the likelihood that the Supreme Court will soon take up the legality of the Affordable Care Act's birth control mandate, a federal appeals court on Thursday differed with six others and temporarily barred the government from enforcing the mandate. That outcome came in two decisions by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit.

    These cases, and seven others already pending at the Supreme Court, are sequels to the Supreme Court's ruling last year in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores. That case involved a for-profit business, but this new round of cases involves charities and non-profit operators of businesses, colleges, and schools. All have religious objections to some of the contraceptives mandated by the ACA

    SNIP

    Thursday's decision, like most of the other appeals court rulings on the issue, involved only an interpretation of the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, not the Constitution. The Hobby Lobby decision, too, was based on the RFRA. The Court ruled in Hobby Lobby that for-profit firms owned by a small group of religiously devout owners could not be required to provide the coverage to their employees.


    High School Football, NC. (none / 0) (#4)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 01:53:45 PM EST
    That should read (none / 0) (#5)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 01:54:47 PM EST
    "High School Football, Inc."

    I completely suck at posting via phone.

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    Once again. (none / 0) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 02:00:12 PM EST
    The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals denied a motion for stay, yesterday, filed by Clerk Davis and her Liberty Counsel attorneys.  Davis sought some special treatment by going directly to the Circuit Court, skipping a stay pending appeal in the District Court.

    Still don't understand why Huckabee suggested his wife over Davis for the $10 dollar bill.  True, the law says the figures must be dead, but as (! ) says, "may be illegal, but what the heck."  Makes more sense, no doubt,  to the Republicans,  than the "sensible" Kasich who wanted the vow of poverty nun, Mother Teresa,  on our money.  Although, this crowd may have more of the late Christopher Hitchens' Hell's Angel, than the Vatican's beatification, in mind.

    Post Debate Morning Consult Poll (none / 0) (#7)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 02:05:01 PM EST
    Trump 36
    Carson 12
    Fiorina 10
    Rubio 9
    Cruz 7
    Christie 6
    Bush 6
    Kasich 4
    Paul 2
    Huckabee 2
    Jindal 1
    Walker 1

    Big winners:
    Trump, Fiorina, Rubio, Cruz, Christie

    Big losers:
    Carson, Bush, Paul, Walker

    The same poll picked the debate winner as Fiorina with Trump a close 2nd.

    Biggest loser (5.00 / 9) (#9)
    by CST on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 02:32:18 PM EST
    The United States of America

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    How did Walker (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 02:54:45 PM EST
    manage to do as well as he did?

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    Gotta admit... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:10:27 PM EST
    I crack up every time Trump calls one of the also-rans "One Percent" to mock them...he does have some appeal as a D-List Celebrity Roaster, I'll give him that.

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    Rubio Official Punches... (none / 0) (#18)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:17:27 PM EST
    ... Paul adviser. LINK w/Video

    That should give Rubio a couple more points.

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    Trying to punch each other out.. (none / 0) (#27)
    by jondee on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 04:09:36 PM EST
    sounds like another right-wing base rallying manuvre..

    More behavior the folks in flies-all-over country can relate to..like questioning evolution and saying "nuculer", "subliminable" and "Albert Kaymus"..

    Next up, tobacco juice spitting contests and alligator rassling..

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    When one of these (none / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 04:23:54 PM EST
    candidates seems "sensible," it is probably because they did not get enough Jake Tapper-time.  For example, take the hapless 4% Kasich, please.

    Appearing at the posh Orange County Shady Lane Golf Club, Kasich heaped praise on Hispanics for their family values and work ethic.

    Indeed, said Kasich, " a lot of them do jobs that they're willing to do (sic) and, uh, that is why in the hotel you leave a little tip."   The clueless Kasich related a nice story about the hotel maid writing a swell note for guests that they enjoy their stay. "Isn't that the nicest thing," he says.  And, he even met that maid in the hall, and she was hispanic--"and he asked her for a little more soap."  

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    Monday CNN Poll (none / 0) (#126)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Sep 21, 2015 at 09:26:26 AM EST
    Trump 24%    (-8%)
    Fiorina 15%  (+3%)
    Carson 14%   (-5%)
    Rubio  11%   (+3%)
    Bush 9%
    Cruz 6%
    Huckabee 6%
    Paul 4%
    Christie 3%
    Kasich 2%
    Santorum 1%
    Five other candidates received less than one-half of 1 percentage point support: former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, former New York Gov. George Pataki and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker.

    Walker's collapse is especially stark.

    LINK

    Trump was on the phone with the Savannah Guthrie this morning.  Did I mention she is the worse interviewer ever, anyways Trump took it Fiorina, stating that she ran Lucient & HP into the ground so far that she has never been asked to be CEO again.  Ouch.

    But the funniest thing Trump asked Gutherie why she wasn't using NBC's poll, why would she use another network's poll, the CNN one above, when her own stations poll put Trump out further.

    Trump is getting better in interviews, much better, but he is sliding down in popularity, hmmm...

    NBC Poll(pdf)17

    Trump 32%  
    Fiorina 6%  
    Carson 10%  
    Rubio  5%  
    Bush 14%
    Cruz 4%
    Huckabee 1%
    Paul 1%
    Christie 1%
    Kasich 1%
    Walker 1%
    Don't Know 21%

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    But you still don't think he will be the nominee? (none / 0) (#127)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 21, 2015 at 05:54:59 PM EST
    You said in a recent comment.    I agree.  He is getting better.  I'm not seeing an exit scenarios.

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    The (none / 0) (#128)
    by FlJoe on Mon Sep 21, 2015 at 08:49:15 PM EST
    NBC poll was an online, eh. The CNN pool was a phone poll, coinciding with the fluffing of Fiorina and the bashing of Trump so hers are inflated and his deflated maybe temporarily maybe not.

    If you think that the full force of the anti-Trump coalition has come to bear, you are sadly mistaken. All we have seen so far is the silly season, with the drama played out in the media, Trumps strong point.

    Wait until the pacs and super pacs come into the battle as the leaves change and the attack ads come. That's when the action really begins.

    My prediction is oppo-research on him is going to be easy pickings with easily plucked sound bites and photos that will be slickly packaged and put into heavy rotation, the media will pile on of course.

    Maybe the rubes won't buy the party line this time, but being rubes and all I doubt it.

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    I hear this constantly (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 21, 2015 at 09:00:07 PM EST
    I'm just really curious what you think the oppo research is going to tell people that they don't already know.

    I would suggest talking with some Trump supporters.   Something I suspect few here have done.  When you do that you will learn they know exactly who he is.  His support is not ideological.  

    Oppo research won't touch it.  

    Remember I said that.

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    Your daily dose of (none / 0) (#14)
    by CST on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:02:05 PM EST
    Ah, it was at Michilmackinac (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:22:18 PM EST
    which explains it.  Gets wild up dere wit' da Yoopers.  Of course, we could blame the Canucks coming dere, acrost da border, and solve that with. . .

    the wall.  The YUGE wall on da Yoopee.

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    What iss Odd... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:29:52 PM EST
    ...that the people who love oil and think GW is a liberal hoax would have a Republican Leadership Conference on island without gas powered vehicles.

    Speaking of leadership, hahahahahahaaha, that is certainly a way to start a republican leadership conference, punching the competition.

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    Wouldn't a true Libertarian... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:12:57 PM EST
    want to take it outside and settle it like sovereign men, instead of whining to the authorities and anyone else who would listen that Rubio's lackey hit me?

    Lamest bar fight ever by the way.

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    These Libertarians are still Republicans... (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by shoephone on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:20:53 PM EST
    ...and Republicans are the biggest whiners on the planet.

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    Too true... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:23:38 PM EST
    I guess his bootstraps were damaged during the savage attack...lol.

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    this is my favorite part (none / 0) (#22)
    by CST on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:29:42 PM EST
    "who frankly I didn't even know who it was at first because he isn't relevant in our political world"

    All I can hear is "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO MY FATHER IS?"

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    Rubio's poor poll numbers (none / 0) (#24)
    by ragebot on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 03:33:27 PM EST
    are due to where he went to school.

    At least that's what FSU prez said after Rubio bashed FSU.

    Gotta say most pols try to walk a tightrope when it comes to football games.  Back in the day I was at a UF-FSU game in Tallahassee and approached a shirt and tie dressed Gov Martinez who had a white shirt, solid tie, and a pair of suspenders with the FSU logo on one suspender strap and the UF logo on the other strap.  Luckly I had my camera and in addition to getting a nice pix of Emmit Smith at half time I also got the guv and his split personality suspenders.

    Honestly, the only people who likely give a rat's a$$ about this sort of juvenile crap are probably alumni of both institutions. As for the rest of us, we clearly have better things to do than gawk at an in-state football rivalry and project more into it than what's actually there.

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    No one gives a rat's a$$ (none / 0) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 04:10:18 PM EST
    not even alumni. It was trash talking on sports talk radio. It was even less trash talking than you do anytime a mid major happens to win a game over a team of substance.

    Ragebot just happens to be an FSU homer that seeks medical care at the University of Florida, because he knows where to go when he wants the best :)

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    Yea but my tax lawyer (none / 0) (#30)
    by ragebot on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 04:17:08 PM EST
    is from FSU.  It is important to realize that many goods and services are not undifferentiated commodities.

    As for going to Gainsville for my cataract surgery I went to the VA hospital there because that is where the VA sent me, that service in not available in Tallahassee.  But I did get travel pay from the VA to drive there.

    It is also important to remember there are three ways to do things, the right way, the wrong way, and the Army way.

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    Well, that's to be expected. (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:33:44 PM EST
    I used to hear it every year in SoCal udring my childhood, whenever USC and UCLA would face off in the finale of college football's regular season. (Nowadays, it's not necessarily even the finale.) Then, having decided to go to school in Seattle, I had to endure the same nonsensical chatter between UW and Wazzu alumni prior to the Apple Cup for five years.

    I grew up playing sports, and I love college football. Trash talk is part of sports, within reason of course. But while the teams and even players themselves are fair game, I think that verbally trashing a rival school and its student body / alumni is juvenile, especially when the advocate sounds like he needs his diaper changed.

    I'll ignore your "team of substance" remark, if only because I remember that during my high school years in the late '70s, Florida Gators football had all the verve and substance of a dessert topping.

    Now, THAT'S how you talk trash. Ciao for now.

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    Hey (none / 0) (#42)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:44:08 PM EST
    I attended Florida during what I believe to be their worst football season ever. From that standpoint, it's bean nothing but beautiful ever since.

    I do vaguely remember a Florida/Hawaii football game in 2008 :)

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    What a coicidence! (none / 0) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:20:02 PM EST
    Sounds like a good deal all around (none / 0) (#59)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:12:36 PM EST
    Our girls got a nice Hawaiian vacation for their loss, and your boys had an all expenses paid vacation into the Swamp.

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    Is there anything to see in Gainesville, ... (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:34:06 PM EST
    ... aside, of course, from the University of Florida? University campuses are always fascinating to tour, regardless of locale.

    As for the Florida volleyball team, I'm afraid that Coach Mary Wise ensured that it was strictly a business trip. they didn't have much free time, from what I heard.

    Coach Wise is one of the best, and that trip can only help the Gators over the course of the season. If you desire to be the best, you have to play the best -- and with four national titles and 10 other Final Four appearances to its credit, as well as 33 appearances in the NCAA tournament in last 34 years, Hawaii volleyball has a pretty good pedigree by which she can measure her team's performance and progress. It was a classic match.

    Aloha.

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    I always try and visit (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by ragebot on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:14:09 PM EST
    Paynes Prairie.

    It is an impressive geological feature.  At one time it was a lake and steamboats ran to Gainsville.  However a huge sinkhole formed and drained it.  The park has an impressive array of wildlife including many birds.  There are also native bison and pure bread horses who escaped when the Spanish first explored Florida.  There are some resident Sandhill Cranes but in the winter there is a massive migration of the Sandhills numbering over ten thousand.  It is quite impressive to see them return to the prairie at dusk when they seem to cover the sky from horizon to horizon.  In the spring it is common to see hundreds of Cottonmouths along the bulkhead along 441.  And of course there are lots of gators in the prairie wetlands.

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    Some of those Sandhill cranes summer here (none / 0) (#67)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:46:04 PM EST
    in Michigan.  They stroll all over the place, even across my yard.  If not sharing the territory with "hundreds of Cottonmouths" is the price I pay for seeing only small Sandhill families, I'm happy.  


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    If the truth be known (none / 0) (#72)
    by ragebot on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 06:47:49 AM EST
    most experienced folks would be more concerned about the gators than the Cottonmouths.  They tend to hibernate in the winter in mass but once it starts to warm up in the spring they mate and then disperse.

    I am always amused by folks who like the small cute fuzzy animals but don't like the ugly ones.  

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    That would be me :) (none / 0) (#85)
    by sj on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 01:38:25 PM EST
    I am always amused by folks who like the small cute fuzzy animals but don't like the ugly ones.  
    But I also like the big magnificent fuzzy animals, and I respect those "ugly" ones. I just avoid them. And I really avoid caterpillars.

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    Speaking of Sandhill Cranes, (none / 0) (#90)
    by fishcamp on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 02:28:20 PM EST
    I once filmed a Sandhill Crane relocation story with Cheryl Tiegs as the hostess, and yes she is beautiful and very sweet.  We started at the Aransas, Texas wildlife park and flew to a lake in Manitoba, with eggs and birds.  It was one of the easier relocation films I worked on.  The Colorado Mountain Lion relocation film was by far the most dangerous film I ever worked on.  Cheryl Ladd was the hostess of that film.  She shot the Puma with the tranquilizer dart.  The cat was treed by some BLM dogs, and was glaring at me, poised with all four paws on the same limb, ready to launch, when Cheryl finally pulled the trigger.  We drank rather heavily that night too.

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    Cheryl Tiegs (none / 0) (#101)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 07:33:12 PM EST
    OMG

    Love at first sight

    Sports Illustrated fishnet bathing suit.

    Little did my parents know what wonders were between the covers of Sports Illustrated

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    I concur (none / 0) (#109)
    by shoephone on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 10:58:18 PM EST
    My family had a connection to Ms. Tiegs for a few years, and she is, indeed, a very sweet, thoughtful, and respectful woman. Not surprisingly, she behaves completely down-to-earth.

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    St Kimmy is BACK (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:25:46 PM EST
    She has reportedly removed her name from the liscense forms.   I would guess she scratched them out with crayon.

    The underling forced t issue the altered forms says them are now NOT legal.

    I knew we had not heard the last from Kim Davises ass.

    RawStory (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:29:11 PM EST
    Maybe she liked the jail food. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 05:58:12 PM EST
    You've seen her husband (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 06:01:04 PM EST
    Right?

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    For Those Who Insist the Ahmed Case Was Racial (none / 0) (#51)
    by RickyJim on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 06:43:28 PM EST
    Link

    Wozniak actually built something instead of taking apart a store bought clock and repackaging it into something that looked like a little suitcase bomb.

    The difference is that Wozniak actually (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 02:00:07 AM EST
    did build something he intended as a fake bomb.

    Do you have vide de Ahmed thought of his device as a fake bomb?

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    he knew what it looked like (2.00 / 1) (#74)
    by ding7777 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 07:40:32 AM EST
    "I closed it with a cable, 'cause I didn't want to lock it to make it seem like a threat, so I just used a simple cable so it won't look that much suspiciou


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    Au contraire (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by sj on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 01:49:27 PM EST
    He did his child's best to not make it look threatening.

    Jeebus. To me, it's sad that he even had to think like that.

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    *evidence (none / 0) (#70)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 02:05:14 AM EST
    Not sure what link you were trying to post (2.00 / 1) (#57)
    by ragebot on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 08:59:46 PM EST
    but your blurb said

    "Wozniak actually built something instead of taking apart a store bought clock and repackaging it into something that looked like a little suitcase bomb."

    which sorta goes with this link.

    Nerds like the guy who wrote this analysis sometimes get hot when someone tries to take more credit than they deserve.  What ever one thinks about the political aspects of this incident it is becoming clear Ahmed is not really much of an engineer.  

    I will be interested to see what MIT has to say about this.  I can remember a kid in my 9th grade science fair that pulled a similar stunt trying to take credit for building an electronics device he simply bought and repackaged.  He definitely did not get to go to MIT.

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    Seriiusly, your new gambit (5.00 / 5) (#60)
    by caseyOR on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 09:41:30 PM EST
    is to attack a 14 year old boy's cred as an engineer? You and Ricky are pathetic.

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    Yea I am claiming the kid is a poor engineer (2.00 / 1) (#73)
    by ragebot on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 07:14:17 AM EST
    In an interview the kid said it took him all of twenty minutes to take apart a clock and put it in a small case.  Not something that requires a lot of skill.  The link I posted earlier, written by a real engineer, bashed the work as sloppy because there were dangers of getting shocked if one was not careful.

    That being said, it is regrettable that the President, Zuckerberg and other people of national prominence would single out this young man for the attention they have given him, with all the benefits which will flow his way as a result. In trying, perhaps, to make a political point about racial and religious profiling, they have rewarded this young man, even if totally innocent of any mischievous intent, for doing nothing of consequence. What does this say to the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of 14 year olds who bring science projects to school, each representing more work and innovation than was put into this "clock", who receive no acclaim, much less invitations to the White House and the offices of America's top corporations of innovation? It tells them that applying themselves to the actual tasks that engineers and scientists learn and dedicate themselves to doing will never get them as far as doing something provocative and capturing the attention of the press, or, in this age, the social network. This is not a constructive message to send to America's 14 year-olds.

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    But you think the message it sends to (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by Anne on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 09:19:12 AM EST
    children of color, to 12- or 13- or 14-yr olds who are Middle Eastern or Muslim - or really, ant kid of any color or religion - that they'd better be darn sure that their invention can't be construed as some kind of threat before they dare bring it to school, is the right one?  The one that nurtures and encourages creativity?

    What you seem to be missing is that this kid didn't do anything wrong.  It should have just been a normal day for him, with a teacher giving him kudos for the effort, drawing him out to see what other ideas the kid had that could be encouraged.  That's what good teachers do.

    And in the absence of that approach in his own school, the one that's supposed to be better than those nasty public schools, I guess you're hacked off because people of some importance are stepping up to show those teachers how it's supposed to be done.

    This:

    Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great.

    doesn't say anything more than what his teachers should have said.  We need kids who are energized and excited about science.  What we don't need are teachers making kids afraid to be creative.

    However badly the entire incident was handled - and make no mistake, it was handled badly - none of it was this boy's fault.  

    For you to be so small-minded and petty because he's getting attention at a high level for what you've deemed a pretty rudimentary effort tells me you really don't understand what's really important about what happened.

    But I can't say I'm surprised.

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    Let me help you get up to speed Ann (2.00 / 2) (#77)
    by ragebot on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 10:30:10 AM EST
    The kid showed his work to a science teacher who encouraged him but told him not to show it to other teachers.  In an English class the alarm on the clock went off.  Maybe it was unintentional and the kid just did not have a good grasp of how things work, or maybe it was deliberate.  In any case the English teacher wanted to know what was making a beeping noise in the kid's pack.

    When the kid could not adequately explain to the English teacher what a beeping brief case in his back pack was he was sent to the principal's office.  Again the kid was not able to explain why he had a small brief case in his back pack that was beeping.

    I agree at that point things got out of hand.  But I have to wonder why no one called the science teacher to explain what was going on with what seems to be a second rate science project that was apparently not assigned.  If the kid had been smart he would have asked the cops to talk to his science teacher instead of playing coy.

    There is plenty of blame to go around, but given what happened in Boston and several public schools I have to wonder how smart someone is when they bring a suspicious device to school and then do not play it straight with the authorities.  

    I am betting this kid does not wind up at MIT or working in the tec world.  But he does seem to have a career path like his Dad as a public figure trying to advance a cause.

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    Additionally (none / 0) (#112)
    by TrevorBolder on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 10:17:56 AM EST
    Everyone already had their antennae up, less than a week earlier, a high school 20 miles away had a bomb threat which made the local news. Bombs in high schools were in the news locally.

    Police in the Dallas suburb of Plano arrested a juvenile suspect on Sunday morning in connection with Friday's bomb scare and weapons hoax at Clark High School. Police charged the minor with False Alarm/Report Emergency Involving Public School.

    KTVT-11 (CBS) reported that police took into custody the person purportedly responsible for calling 9-1-1 and saying that someone had a gun, possibly even a bomb on campus, according to police. Law enforcement did not release any details on the age, sex, identity, or even if the suspect attends the high school, because the individual is a minor. The arrested teen was accused of making a false report, a serious charge according to Chapter 37 of the Texas Education Code.


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    So far, Anne, (1.67 / 3) (#81)
    by RickyJim on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 12:15:16 PM EST
    Ahmed hasn't been able to explain the point of this "invention".  Who needs a digital clock with the LEDs missing, except to make bombs.  And what did it have to do with what was going on in English class when he plugged it in and created a disturbance?  It is sad that your desire to be a hip liberal sometimes gets in the way of your common sense.

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    It wasn't an invention (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by sj on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 01:46:44 PM EST
    it was a project. What is the "point" of the clocks in your house? In mine, they tell time. How hard is that.

    He repeatedly said "It's a clock". Do you really need the function of a clock explained to you?

    Being supportive of anyone's investigative efforts isn't "liberal". It's what a teacher is supposed to do. A good teacher would have acknowledged the work done, and then together would have investigated and actually taught how to make it better -- with the teacher's supposedly superior knowledge. That's what mentoring is.

    Forget all the rest of your nonsense about what he did. To quote jim, you're just making it up.

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    It wasn't (2.00 / 2) (#100)
    by ding7777 on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 06:35:55 PM EST
    a project.  Ahmed said he built it to impress his teacher.

    The story only has one side being reported since so far  Ahmed's parents have not allowed school officials to tell the other side.

    Why  Ahmed would decide to impress his teacher a day after another neighborhood school was in lock-down mode for a bomb threat is curious.

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    How are Ahmed's parents preventing (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 10:28:02 AM EST
    The school from "telling the other side" of the story? What an absurd notion.

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    Magic mooslim mojo (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 01:48:53 PM EST
    whether you think the notion (none / 0) (#130)
    by ding7777 on Tue Sep 22, 2015 at 04:17:01 AM EST
    is absurd or not, it is what Irving Independent School District spokeswoman Lesley Weaver said.

    it's frustrating to not be able to provide the school's perspective.

    "If the family is willing to give us written permission, we would be happy to share with the public the other side of the story so they can understand the actions we took,"



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    I'm not buying it (none / 0) (#131)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 22, 2015 at 08:52:01 AM EST
    I read the letter that she sent his parents. What would she have left out?

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    I can not find (none / 0) (#133)
    by ding7777 on Tue Sep 22, 2015 at 01:10:09 PM EST
    the letter that she sent his parents but I did see the one from the Principal/Superintendent to all Parents which does not go into detail of how the situation evolved.

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    Sorry (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by sj on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 04:05:55 PM EST
    but this comment is just stupid. It reads as if you think something can only be a project if it is also a homework assignment. And the rest of the comment makes even less sense than that.

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    Absolutely...zero sense (none / 0) (#132)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 22, 2015 at 09:03:00 AM EST
    Josh is in FFA and doing an SAE project. He's actually doing more than one this year. They can do as many as they are able and oddly that clock meets all the criteria for an FFA SAE project.

    Josh is given the parameters for what constitutes an SAE project, and he starts building stuff without teacher approval. Part of the new FFA philosophy in developing life skills is challenging yourself without needing the approval of others. His teacher won't see his projects until they are complete, he will turn in a progress report halfway through though with photo documentation.

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    Crude innuendo. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 08:21:01 PM EST
    Even after the police were called all agreed it (5.00 / 4) (#103)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 08:32:56 PM EST
    was not a bomb. Then the charge became that he was trying to stage a bomb hoax. Despite showing it to multiple teachers throughout the day. Not a very good hoax there.

    I have no problem with them being scared and calling the police if they were not absolutely sure it was not a bomb. I have a problem with taking a kid out in handcuffs when there is no evidence of intent to cause harm,  and not letting him have his parents or their designees present during interrogation.

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    ha! yes, bombs are the only things that are timer (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by ruffian on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 08:37:24 PM EST
    based. Talk about lack of common sense. Just look around your house. I have 2 lights on right now that go on and off on timers. And a security camera. Electronic wifi and timer based home control is supposed to be the next big wave in tech.

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    I can't wait for the auto dog feeder (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 09:00:42 PM EST
    It's my understanding that I could be checking on my house via camera, and turning things off and on with my cell phone now, but I'm waiting for the software and hardware to improve. Someday I want to be able to let my dogs out when I'm not home, and then call them back inside when I'm not home, and watch it go down.

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    He Never Claimed It Was A Timer (2.00 / 2) (#123)
    by RickyJim on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 07:00:56 PM EST
    "We attempted to question the juvenile about what it was and he would simply only say it was a clock. He didn't offer any explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school," said James McLellan, Irving Police.
     Link

    A timer has an extra circuit that opens or closes an output when a specific time is reached.  Now if he were able to build that from scratch and add it to his "project", I would think he really might have some talent.  So far, to me, the Breitbart, CTH explanation that his father asked him to stir up some trouble is the most likely one I've heard.

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    Timer switches (none / 0) (#116)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Sep 20, 2015 at 01:47:13 PM EST
    Just look around your house. I have 2 lights on right now that go on and off on timers.

    In the 'fifties my father observed that our oven had a timer that would shut it off after a predetermined interval.  Duh.

    He reasoned that if you could make a timer to turn something off, you could make one to turn something on.  He asked a guy at some hardware store about making a timer out of an electric alarm clock to turn the electric coffee pot on a few minutes before he got up, so it would be ready immediately.  Dude wouldn't do it, said it was the same as a bomb timer.  I don't know whether or not the device would have actually been illegal, but my dad figured it was a loser and dropped the idea.

    Now of course you can buy a coffee maker that will grind the beans and make your coffee on a timer circuit.  My dad should have been rich on the idea, but the dude wouldn't build it for him.

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    The three of you are absolutely absurd. (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Sep 21, 2015 at 03:48:22 AM EST
    RickyJim: "Ahmed hasn't been able to explain the point of this 'invention'. Who needs a digital clock with the LEDs missing, except to make bombs."

    Ahmed is a 14-year-old nerd. He did nothing wrong. The police admitted that they knew it wasn't a bomb, yet they proceeded to arrest him anyway, and then interrogate him without his parents present, even when he asked for them. You're defending the indefensible.

    The length to which you right-wing bozos will go in support of Irving, TX'S institutional xenophobia is just sickening. And then Republicans have the phuquing nerve to wonder aloud why people of color distrust them on policy issues.

    You guys disgust me.

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    Somehow Link Didn't Appear (none / 0) (#52)
    by RickyJim on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 06:45:36 PM EST
    And for those who insist it isn't racial, ... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:45:58 PM EST
    ... I think that the incomparable Darlene Edwards sums you clowns up best.

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    That link, Donald, takes me to (none / 0) (#65)
    by caseyOR on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 11:05:46 PM EST
    the Pittsburgh newsaper sports page.

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    That's terrible! (none / 0) (#71)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 03:32:08 AM EST
    There's nothing worse for a Cubs fan than a link to a Pirates baseball story -- except perhaps for a link to a Cardinals baseball story.

    Anyway, here's the incomparable Darlene Edwards. Every time I hear a Republican open his or her mouth lately, I think of her.

    ;-D

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    FSU shuts out BC (none / 0) (#61)
    by ragebot on Fri Sep 18, 2015 at 10:03:58 PM EST
    and covers BTD's 8 1/2 spread.  First away shutout for FSU in a long time.

    The Noles are improving with each game.

    is it leslie Merritt? (none / 0) (#107)
    by zaitztheunconvicted on Sat Sep 19, 2015 at 09:08:49 PM EST
    Does anyone wish to provide their views and evidence as to whether or not Leslie Merritt is the Arizona shooter?