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Trump Won't Win, But You Still Need to Vote

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 06:00:02 PM EST
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The New York Times: Hillary's electoral college numbers show a solid lead. Trump has almost no path to win.

Latino early voting has surged, especially in Nevada and Florida. Hillary is who they are voting for.

If Trump loses Nevada, his chances drop to miniscule. If he loses Florida and Nevada, it's over. He's toast.

Turn off the TV, get outside, play with your kids, read a book. We're almost done. Don't get punked by Trump's lies. He's just desperate. [More...]

Trump is not an outsider. His closest advisers are former losing presidential contenders Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie. That's who you will see in a Trump Administation. We don't need any more autocrats in government.

He's not your friend. He cares about no one except himself. He knows nothing about how to govern. He's not a leader. He's had spectacular failures in his career.

He will not win, unless you don't show up to vote for Hillary. If your ballot is overly long and filled with indecipherable legalese (like mine was) just cast your vote for Hillary and whoever and whatever else you can easily figure out and care about, and leave the rest blank. You don't have to fill out every box.

Ask yourself what you have to lose by not voting for Hillary. There's only one answer: Every decent principle this country has ever stood for.

Carnival barkers belong in the circus, not the White House. Dump Trump

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    I'm not allowed to say she's going to win it (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 06:53:11 PM EST
    My husband says we must all have Bill Maher's opinion and embrace we are facing extreme danger until Wednesday morning. We are at war fighting for our lives.

    So I can only think this. Just like I could never call Dubya Dubya out loud in the house when he was President. I could only think it, and quietly type it.

    Hubby for Hillary? (none / 0) (#14)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:45:43 PM EST


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    Her hubby (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:58:40 PM EST
    has actually talked to Hillary back when she was a senator.

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    Yes, in the midst of year one Iraq invasion (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:55:16 PM EST
    Before a green zone was well hardened in, Clinton's wife, the girl still without a resume, decided she needed to go to Iraq....for recipes I suppose.

    They met in an airport in Shannon Ireland. He is sexier than Bill by the way and probably just as smart :) He was coming home for Thanksgivingish? It was his R/R. But it was technically before Thanksgiving. Our family moved Thanksgiving up on our calendar to coincide with him being home.

    He did want to meet her initially because his wife was a fan. But then Clinton's wife started asking hard questions. What was going on on the ground in the Sunni Triangle. Heh...they have their own relationship now....... snort

    If Bill is smart he should be jealous! If I get hit by a train I can't promise how this works out for Bill :) Cuz my guy likes smart girls...A LOT!

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    You must (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 06:38:23 AM EST
    be still steaming to be writing in snark.

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    I'm still angry with Bill (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:07:41 AM EST


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    And he is Ga (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:14:01 AM EST
    My dude is sexier than Bill. That is fact :) Bill should know all these hot guys are going to listen to her carefully, they are sworn to never deal her a dirty ever ;) if one of them does, the others will fry him. I just want Bill to understand this...

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    Yes, he does not speak of it at work (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:41:18 PM EST
    Directly. In his section he will speak her words. It is very hard to tell the soldiers they can't discuss this election. He allows it. Nobody who works with him knows who he's voting for though. When they accuse him of being for Hillary he reminds them they get so far out there he simply has to bring up points for everyone's clarity. When the nation is saner he does not vote in the Presidential election.

    He had a terrible time though in the Gore election. He is from Florida and they did wait for military votes to come in. He said he was swinging Gore, but chose not to vote. Everything was okay. He would have been voting from Korea, and his vote would have been in the votes they agreed to wait on and add to the count. Then that outcome got us Iraq. I wonder how many other deployed Florida soldiers suffer similarly late at night.

    He has voted since then for those who don't place the military into a meat grinder along with whomever else would be sucked into it with them. He acknowledges Hillary has a history of being a little more hawkish contemplating than Obama, but says being in the Oval Office and the loss of life utterly on you is different than sitting at the table pointing out factors.

    Anybody who doesn't know where Aleppo is or has Putin on speed dial is a hell effing NO! He has worked face to face with NATO though facing some really bad crap. He worked directly with Polish and Czech forces. He respects their nations and the passion of their soldier protectors immensely. And he giggles a little talking about how the soldiers from those nations try to bicker when in the same room..we all have our baggage. His grandparents were Polish and Czech immigrants though, when you talk $hit about NATO, when you attempt to persuade Americans NATO should be disbanded and those democracies left to fight Putin off alone, you are off the effing table. Thus, we are at war fighting for our lives until Wednesday morning.

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    are you off-topic with NATO? (1.00 / 1) (#52)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 12:18:32 PM EST
    because i consider those who are pro-nato and pro-military to be social conservatives.

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    Huh? (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 12:39:24 PM EST
    I'm off topic with NATO because you consider what?

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    i asked whether this is off topic (none / 0) (#57)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 01:36:41 PM EST
    and as an aside i commented that you seen to be rather social conservative on this issue.

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    This thread is about voting for Hillary (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 02:27:30 PM EST
    I'm pretty sure Jeralyn is fine with my husband voting for Hillary especially because Trump wants to destroy NATO and place other democracies at risk. Tricky thing about war, it spreads, soldiers are a lot more educated than they were last generation. Some of them even teach classes to other soldiers now linea and their curriculum is 'War is Tricky, and it Spreads'.

    Bill Clinton said he wanted the world's most educated military. Some of the mindset your existing military has is due to him. Those in the military that hated Clinton got a crack at doing things their way again...and we got Iraq. It was awful, it remains so. But your military is not monolithic in ideology or education. And the current Sec of Def wants that to change even moreso.

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    Conservative on what issue? (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 02:10:15 PM EST


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    So strange too, but in many years (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 03:22:27 PM EST
    Of blogging on politics, only one other person I've been exposed to has divided all issues into socially conservative and socially liberal categories based on some strange algorithms from the days of Dixiecrats, and that's Jim. And now oddly enough...you ;)

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    i dont have an algorithm (none / 0) (#77)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 04:10:04 PM EST
    and i dont divide all issues into two categories. i know there are libertarian-republicans and wall-street-republicans and social-conservative-republicans. there are progressive-democrats and liberal-democrats and union-democrats and obviously some hawkish-democrats. i was simply noting that i associate your pro-nato and pro-military postions with the more socially conservative political parties.

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    Are you in the U.S.? (none / 0) (#93)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:17:56 PM EST


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    im in seattle!! (none / 0) (#95)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:21:03 PM EST
    ive posted that a hundred times!! im in seattle!

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    Was just remembering you posted (none / 0) (#97)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:34:17 PM EST
    125,000 usd. It's a strange way to define dollars when from Seattle.

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    Our friend linea has made reasonably clear (none / 0) (#106)
    by Peter G on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 09:55:57 AM EST
    that she is a fairly recent European immigrant, now living in Seattle. I say "recent" because she has also said she attended a university abroad; she did not learn her English here. In other words, she is in Seattle, but not "from" Seattle.

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    And you base your opinion on -- what, exactly? (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 04:22:53 PM EST
    linea: "because i consider those who are pro-nato and pro-military to be social conservatives."

    For the past 67 years, NATO has managed to keep European nations from seizing their neighbors by the throat at regular intervals, as they were prone to do for the better part of a millennium.

    What does that have to do with social conservatism?

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    im concerned we are off topic (none / 0) (#80)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 04:39:12 PM EST
    i associate the hawkish pro-nato and pro-military positions with the more socially concervative christian-democatic parties, that's all. i did not mean to start a debate or an extended discussion. let's just forget it. i apologize.

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    Your attempt to analogize (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Peter G on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 04:44:56 PM EST
    American political opinions, particularly on foreign policy and military issues, to the views of European political parties will only end in failure and frustration. Not the way U.S. political opinion breaks down.

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    That's nice (none / 0) (#59)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 01:46:01 PM EST
    Unfortunately for you, you're not the arbiter of who is a "social conservative".

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    i dont need to be the arbiter (none / 0) (#61)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 02:05:43 PM EST
    pro-nato and pro-military is the position of most socially conservative political parties in europe and is the position of the republicans in america. it most certanly is the position of ted cruz.

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    Wow...since when? (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 02:15:34 PM EST
    Bush attempted to destroy NATO, Obama brought NATO back together again. Republican candidate Donald Trump wants NATO destroyed. Past Democratic candidate Wes Clark was fighting to save NATO for years and years while DC Conservatives were trying to dismantle it.

    I don't know where you get your notions from sometimes.

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    Hate to break it to you (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 06:40:26 PM EST
    Ted Cruz is also not the arbiter of vinegars positions,  either.  Nor the conservatives candidate who is NOT pro-Nato - Donald Trump.   Moreover,  many Democrats are pro-NATO and pro-military, which is not the same as supporting increased military spending or military intervention.

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    NATO is allying us an deeper levels now (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:30:52 PM EST
    Our heavy exposure to UK forces was instrumental in our military coming to terms with the absurdity of DADT. Our commanders who kept arguing we couldn't get there had UK forces in their face and getting it all done. We either had to admit we were inferior in abilities and fortitude or we had to evolve.

    My spouses exposure to other cultural values and the passion and problems of allied nations I think has grown him as a person, certainly as a functional soldier.

    We have many more problems to deal with. The NATO alliances provide us a foundation to come together on other issues, like global warming, famine, and God forbid a pandemic.

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    who is vinegar? (none / 0) (#90)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 07:05:04 PM EST
    im sorry, i should have written, "it most certanly is the position of ted cruz who is considered the most socially conservative republican candidate."

    i have no idea why trump is anti-nato, i assume it's a paleo-conservative libertarian small-budget thing? it's certainly odd.

    Moreover, many Democrats are pro-NATO and pro-military, which is not the same as supporting increased military spending or military intervention.

    im not arguing (smile). i just dont understand how being pro-nato and pro-military isnt supporting increased military spending and military intervention.

    im terribly frightened we're off topic.  i dont want to get banned. can you maybe start a thread on the open forum?


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    No (none / 0) (#92)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 09:57:58 PM EST
    I'm not really interested.

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    good (none / 0) (#94)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:18:58 PM EST
    im sick of this!

    im being attacked for being what? too liberal? too pacifist?

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    Sure - believe that (none / 0) (#101)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 05:24:17 AM EST
    ... if it makes you feel better.

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    Okay Jim (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 03:23:03 PM EST


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    That is the key word: Vote. (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 07:05:29 PM EST
    Because otherwise, we really don't want to hear your pathetic excuses why you didn't go to the polls.

    Further, please don't share with us why you chose to cop out and cast a third party ballot, when the actual choice before us this week is as stark as we've ever seen in our lifetimes. This is definitely not the time to be casting a protest vote.

    Instead, look into your own souls, and find that part of "us" that's within you. Remember that while dystopian nightmares are the stuff of great movie dramas, you really don't want to actually experience one firsthand.

    So, when you wake up on Wednesday morning in a country that hasn't turned into a hellish wasteland overnight, please pat yourselves on the back for having done the right thing.

    And as you go about your day, please take the time to thank a woman and / or a person of color, as well.

    Aloha.

    Man, oh man, is that the truth: (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 07:18:40 PM EST
    please take the time to thank a woman and / or a person of color

    We white men are not going to be the saving edge this time, that seems sadly to be apparent. After Tuesday, America will owe its future to women and people of color. And we will have our first woman president, succeeding a black man of mixed race. Not the America I grew up in 60+ years ago. Very pleased to be an atypical example of my demographic, I have to say.

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    I would think (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 07:35:00 PM EST
    with so many Jewish people in Philly and the suburbs we can give a big shout out to the Jewish community too!

    The evangelical community pretty much has been exposed as a farce.

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    A fair percentage of evangelical Christians (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 07:47:28 PM EST
    in the Philadelphia area are socially progressive. Y'know, like actual Christians.

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    How astonishing (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:47:30 PM EST
    that many  Evangelicals can just ignore all of Trump's anti-Christian attitudes and behavior.  They lose all credibility.

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    They do (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:01:24 PM EST
    and you can see what a farce they really are from this election. There's a large danger to a religion when it attaches itself to a political party. Did you know that the Southern Baptists at one time were the biggest advocates on earth for separation of church and state? And then somewhere along the late 70's they decided that the government was the way to solve the cultural "problems" in the US.

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    I am on the board of directors (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 09:48:44 AM EST
    Of an atheist organization and this very subject came up at yesterdays board meeting. The hypocrisy of the so called christian right. They do not actually believe anything the claim to believe. They only believe what is convenient at the moment.

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    The truth is (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:00:29 AM EST
    they never have. We can thank Donald for exposing them for what they always have been.

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    I cannot help noting those (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 11:22:18 PM EST
    Around me who have done this. I have an internal list that won't go away.

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    I think they would see it (none / 0) (#104)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 09:14:38 AM EST
    As ""topping the Devil herself".

    But of course, I don't agree with that.

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    That's really interesting to know (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:47:44 PM EST
    because outside of Jim Wallis and Sojourner's magazine I wasn't aware there were many evangelicals who weren't conservative. They almost all seem to be conservative here in the south though I can that changing around the edges of some congregations.

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    In addition to the Sojourners (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:43:35 PM EST
    the Philly suburbs are home to Eastern University and Eastern Baptist Seminary (now called Palmer). Home base of Tony Campolo, inter alia. See, e.g., this local Baptist Church and this local independent religious community. Not to mention the African-American branches of the evangelical and pentecostal Protestant churches (here's one in our neighborhood), which are social conservative in their private lives but politically progressive as a community.

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    fyi: best practice to not hyphenate (none / 0) (#28)
    by linea on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:47:56 PM EST
    african american (smile)

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    I promise to try to refrain from correcting (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:56:46 PM EST
    your English and your spelling, and from criticizing your writing, linea, if you will do me the same favor.

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    im sorry (none / 0) (#31)
    by linea on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 10:19:02 PM EST
    i was trying to be helpful (smile).
    and my english is excellent, thank you.

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    If you say so, (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 10:23:57 PM EST
    it must be.

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    Little of our writing would survive the criticism (5.00 / 8) (#37)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 09:15:26 AM EST
    of my seventh grade grammar instructress.

    Her hair was grey, compressed into permanent curls. She was not tall. She wore long skirts and black framed cat glasses. She was not cruel; she was merciless, her voice softness and steel.  This boy, who wrote as carelessly as he read, was caught.  

    Almost five decades later, I am still her student.  She is always present, looking over my shoulder at pages run red with comma faults, scratched a ghostly pencil blue with remembered disapproval.

    Even Professor Frank, who gleefully escorted my beloved tripe, tropes, and twaddle to a pages' gutters, was easier to face.

    Mrs. Zimmerman, this is your cenotaph.  The internet has you at last.


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    this is beautiful (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 09:42:27 AM EST


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    The late Miss Edna Cubberley (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Peter G on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 10:24:27 AM EST
    Seventh and Eighth grade honors English teacher, was mine. I went back to visit her often, and stayed in touch until a year after my college graduation, when she moved from northern New Jersey to a retirement community in Arizona. Well said, Mr. N.

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    Obviously Edna gave you just the right amount (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:49:14 AM EST
    of water and sunlight..

    Funny, years ago when I used to do door-to-door sales, I always knew the person living in the house was an elderly woman if the name on the mail box was Edna or Florence or Myrtle or Violet..

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    Obviously nobody saved (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 12:55:26 PM EST
    Mr Graham tried

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    FYI - hyphenating (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by Yman on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 01:53:25 PM EST
    While I know you think your "English is excellent", when "African-American" is being used as a compound adjective, (as Peter was doing), it's best to hyphenate it.  (smile)

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    you are correct (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 03:29:53 PM EST
    omit the hyphen in the noun phrase ("African American") but hyphenate the compound adjective ("Asian-American cuisine").

    i erred in my reading. im sorry.

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    Really? (none / 0) (#69)
    by sallywally on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 03:17:01 PM EST
    Style books I've seen generally say that a two-word term is hyphenated when used as an adjective but is not hyphenated when used as a noun.

    African-American community.
    I am an African American.

    Checking online, the new Museum of African American history and culture does not appear to hyphenate as an adjective, but Newsweek does.

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    i was wrong (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 03:32:58 PM EST
    omit the hyphen in the noun phrase ("African American") but hyphenate the compound adjective ("Asian-American cuisine").

    i erred in my reading. im sorry.

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    although... (none / 0) (#75)
    by linea on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 03:45:30 PM EST
    if i were publishing for a wide audience, i would omit the hyphen from the compound adjective also. but it is not the current standard.

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    My Black friends (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Repack Rider on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 04:00:52 AM EST
    ...do not use the modern A-A vernacular.   They say "black" even when referring to someone with a moderately fair complexion.  When I'm in that company, that is also my standard usage.

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    Cool info (none / 0) (#82)
    by MKS on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 04:55:20 PM EST
    But then again imo there are no hard-and-fast rules in grammar an usage.   English is a very malleable language, that was a Germanic mess in the Dark Ages, and very, very different from the English of Shakespeare's times....

    The closest to a well regard rule book is the 1965 Fowler's, as updated....

    Language is first and foremost a spoken means of communication, and written language is new and always changing.   Now with the digital age making novels obsolete, written language looks to devolve into smaller and smaller soundbites.  

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    The Jewish population of (none / 0) (#11)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:03:13 PM EST
    the Philadelphia metropolitan area (by ethnic heritage, not necessarily by religion) is about 300,000 out of about 6 million, that is, about 5%. Yes, more than twice the national average, but by no means comparable to the female 50%+ or the non-white 35% (all approx.) in its potential to sway an election. Again, I am referring to the metro area. The percentages within the City proper, population of 1.5 million, are very different. Much less Jewish, much more non-white.) Just sayin'.

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    Yes, (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:45:52 PM EST
    but many states have been won by less than 300K votes :).

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    I don't know whether there are statistics (none / 0) (#24)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:11:46 PM EST
    to say what percentage of the "Jewish vote" will go Dem in this year's Presidential. I would hope overwhelmingly for HRC, but that would be interesting to find out. Note that it is the Jewish population that is around 300K in the Philly metro area, not the number of registered voters much less actual voters.

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    i googled and (none / 0) (#12)
    by linea on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:19:35 PM EST
    orthodox jewish are supporting trump. the more religious members of religions always support the oppressive traditionalist ways. they are very sexist!

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    I would have to think that many of the Orthodox (none / 0) (#25)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:22:12 PM EST
    who are, as you say, mostly socially and politically conservative (to put it mildly), would nevertheless be severely put off by Tr*mp's flirtation with anti-Semitic elements on the hard Right. But understand that the Orthodox are under 10% of Philadelphia Jews, and I suspect they are some of the least likely to be voters or otherwise involved in secular politics.

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    Many of my orthodox (none / 0) (#63)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 02:13:18 PM EST
    friends and colleagues feel they have no place to go.... I do not know for whom they are voting, if anyone.  

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    My Jewish partner agrees (none / 0) (#54)
    by FreakyBeaky on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 12:48:49 PM EST


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    All I can think of when I hear (none / 0) (#50)
    by jondee on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 12:13:27 PM EST
    "white people" (and I know I'm supposed to be one), is some, bloodless, cold-to-the-touch, semi-translucent, human/cave salamander hybrid from William Burrough's Naked Lunch..

    And we all know the unconscious associations with "black"..black mischief.. blackguard..black magic..black plague..black Friday..

    These racial categories seem very backward and obsolete..A remnant of some misguided early 19th century attempt to divide humanity along the lines of animal species -- straight out of "Nature, red in tooth and claw."

    I'm afraid it just won't do, dear boy.

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    Two ideas from this Diary (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by MKS on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:53:52 PM EST
    that I really embrace:

       1.  Give up the t.v. etc.  No more watching MSNBC or CNN.  They just turn over and rewind classic horse race stuff, hyping that it is close without providing any info.  If I want info, I look to the local state level gurus....

       2.   Don't have to fill out ballot completely.  Even with Voter Guide, I punted on same races like Water District, etc.

    My husband (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:03:09 PM EST
    turned it on for a minute today and it was about is email going to change Hillary's margins? So it's like she's going to win but oh, she would have won by 70 if it wasn't for email. So yes, all that did was stress me out. No election has stressed people out as much as this one.

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    I just turned it on (none / 0) (#103)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 06:57:12 AM EST
    Don't know how long I'll last. Just trying to coffee and pack lunches

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    My cousin who lives in Mexico City (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 09:44:29 AM EST
    flew in last night just to vote for HRC on Tuesday. She is registered in Maryland.

    And NOW Comey announces... (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 02:51:09 PM EST
    The Clinton email probe is over

    But not in time for this to (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 02:54:27 PM EST
    make the Sunday shows. Comey is deplorable.

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    We have Fox on (5.00 / 5) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 03:04:58 PM EST
    Fox says Comey hopes to be forgiven by Clinton. My husband has me ROTF. He said, "I have forgiven a lot of people. I have forgiven people who shot at me accidentally and not accidentally. I DO NOT FORGIVE COMEY!"

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    It is being reported (Pete Williams) (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 04:24:34 PM EST
    that nearly all emails were duplicates of emails that were already reviewed or personal emails of no public consequence.  This last Comey letter is not an interim report, it is final.  

    Never-the-less,  this political travesty by Comey should never have happened, the electoral damage is great. Mrs. Clinton will win, of course,despite Comey's best efforts, but it will be still impact severely the senate races.

     Comey has demonstrated that the FBI should be deconstructed and decentralized among existing agencies or developed into separate agencies: law enforcement, counter-terrorism, crime laboratory.  The use and abuse of power by the FBI continues in the not so fine tradition of J. Edgar Hoover.

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    I'm with Mr. MT. (5.00 / 6) (#83)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 05:05:56 PM EST
    I don't see much forgiveness in Jim Comey's future. My hope is the Obama demands Comey's resignation so that Clinton does not have to deal with it at the start of her administration (provided she wins.).

    Not only is this he responsible for this whole letter/email debacle, he clearly has no control over the FBI agents. It is an agency run amok.  

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    Problem being (none / 0) (#105)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 09:22:24 AM EST
    FBI Director is a Senate-confirmable position, and methinks the Senate Republicans won't be in a mood to play.

    Now if we have a Dem Senate come January  3trd...

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    If Dems take the Senate (none / 0) (#109)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 07:31:19 PM EST
    We get to make procedural changes. We must have a justice too.

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    As Emily Litella (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 04:04:39 PM EST
    (the late Gilda Radner) said: Nevermind.

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    And all across our great land, ... (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 05:08:48 PM EST
    ... Republicans are reacting to Comey's announcement with dignity and grace.

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    Yes, and (none / 0) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 06:24:37 PM EST
    the media (Tweety) has Kelly Ann Conroy on to talk about it all.  Wonder if the NYTimes will have a full front news page about it, as they did about Comey's announcement of emails that "appear to be pertinent."    And, the media should can those headlines about Mrs. Clinton being "cleared,"  cleared of innuendo, cleared of not being charged?  Comey "supplemented" the record by saying no change in conclusion, after we looked into emails that we did not yet look into, get a warrant to look at, or even, ask if the owners of the laptop would give permission.   Nice supplement.

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    My (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by FlJoe on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 06:37:17 PM EST
    Headline would read "Comey concedes email issue a giant nothing burger"

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    and we still do not know (none / 0) (#87)
    by ding7777 on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 06:30:58 PM EST
    how many of the 650,000 were Huma's.

     And IMO, the NY FBI looked at the Huma's emails before the warrant was issued. They knew there was no there there but Comey has now allowed the media to rehash the email story again and again

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    The 650,000 (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 08:32:48 PM EST
    number was another lie coming out of the NY FBI office. The laptop in question could not hold that many emails and Weiner synced Huma's phone to his laptop and that's how they got there. If the idiots in the NY FBI office had actually asked they could have gotten an answer to their question in about five seconds. But since they wanted to mess with an election to help Trump here we are.

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    The 650,000 number (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 05:49:58 AM EST
    Was never confirmed. Another number that was rumored and never confirmed was 3.

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    No news for past 2 days. (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 03:33:44 AM EST
    However, Ravens over Steelers.

    21 to 14 (none / 0) (#100)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 04:25:08 AM EST


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    President Obama meets (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by KeysDan on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 12:05:35 PM EST
    with little boy suffering from cerebral palsy, who was removed from a Trump rally.  As the boy was taken out by Trump security, Trump supporters kicked at the 12-year old's wheelchair.

    Wow - that's disgusting (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by Yman on Mon Nov 07, 2016 at 12:47:00 PM EST
    Sadly,  not the least bit surprising at this point.  The contrast between Trump and Obama/Clinton could not be more clear.  Actually,  the contrast between Trump and anyone with a sense of humanity could not be more clear.

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    trump (none / 0) (#3)
    by linea on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 07:08:06 PM EST
    never had the states to win the electoral college at any point in this election. according to nate silver's weighted polling methodology.

    Polls are polls. Even good ones. (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by Peter G on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 07:14:12 PM EST
    Strange things have happened when people go into the voting booth by the millions. It ain't over until it's over.  

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    If we are going to whip his ass (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 07:24:50 PM EST
    The degree that we accomplish that matters too. It isn't just about enough to win. It is about the "uncalculated" Latino power in Florida and Nevada slapping the establishment out of white working class stupor. It's about the Republicans (so hard to not type repukes....oh hey...I passive aggressively got it expressed before tears streamed from my eyes) FEELING the Muslim firewall in Michigan. This is a historic vote beyond electing our first woman as President.

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    I think really that's the point. (5.00 / 7) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 07:37:07 PM EST
    Even if you live in a deep blue state you need to get to the polls to give Trump an electoral slap in the face. It won't matter in the EC but the more Americans that rebuke the hate the better for the country to start healing.

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    How this vote goes everywhere (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:00:50 PM EST
    Dictates who seeks to represent in the next election and it will hold sway over how those elected will govern.

    Will another Trump be empowered to be the cream that rises to the surface again?

    It is about who we are. It is the majority defining our nation. It is about deligitmizing white nationalism and misogyny.

    I was curious how my old roomy Tom Lubnau had processed recent developments. He is the Republican speaker of the Wyoming House now.

    We had a bitter Facebook fight after a coal company paid for him to have a vacation in China and he posted a photo from there that was a depiction of Obama being Mao. When I listened to Obama last night on Maher...sheesh...what a Conservative ;) His heart doesn't bleed a whole lot.

    Tom had some notion though that everyone in the military adored fighting and dying in Iraq too, and that we were all solid Republicans. My God what a flameout I had.

    I checked on Tom only to discover, he is censoring a tea party member. He's always had the social awareness of an amoeba but he's smart in other ways. He's pulling his horns way in from the last time we shared words.

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    The GOP said (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:56:45 PM EST
    the worst thing that could happen is for the GOP to lose a close election with Trump on the ticket. Even they think it would be better for Trump to lose in a landslide. It makes sense. I mean if Trump can get close how about giving it another try? David Plouffe said Trump needs to completely be rebuked. The only thing I'm sure of is this election is going to separate the wheat from the chaff and if your state votes for Trump you're gonna own that for a long, long time.

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    Couldn't agree more (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 09:11:32 PM EST


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    Sorry..censure (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Nov 05, 2016 at 08:28:50 PM EST


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    Yes, even in the deep blue states, (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 08:45:23 AM EST
    it will be important to have a high popular vote along with the electoral college vote.  Same reason not to vote for Jill or Gary, as if it did not matter in a blue state.

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    Indeed (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by FreakyBeaky on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 12:55:26 PM EST
    But I think it was Nate Silver who pointed out that his model's chance of a Trump win was about the same as losing at Russian roulette. That's kind of stressful.

    Not to mention, for example, finding out some of your extended family seem to think people other than you with disabilities are appropriate objects of mockery. It's not fun.

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    Daylight Savings Time has ended. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 07:46:36 AM EST
    Our pre-election misery has been extended one hour.

    The rest of you have one more hour ... (none / 0) (#38)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 09:17:41 AM EST
    ... to take THIS to heart. (We don't have DST out here, and will be voting for Hillary by a likely 2.5:1 margin.)

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    Inmates for Clinton, Guards for Trump (none / 0) (#45)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:11:13 AM EST
    Prisoner: "I don't want my president to be a creep."

    The polls staying open until (none / 0) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:24:19 AM EST
    Everyone in line at closing time has voted means the system is rigged to candidate Trump.

    Conway is sad, says CNN is making them lose and Hillary Clinton's campaign is now stalking them, following them everywhere they go

    Ms. Conway's 15 minutes are up. (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 05:41:55 PM EST


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    Could be a positive (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 11:51:07 AM EST
    for the GOP. They've loaded up all the psychopaths on the titanic and now they all go down.

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    We are watching Fareed now (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 12:15:07 PM EST
    He did an excellent intro as to why he is so unapologetically anti-Trump, but it is startling how many don't understand the danger to democracy Trump is. We haven't been able to get them to understanding, they can't hear us. It's weird

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    Poor Kellyanne (none / 0) (#72)
    by sallywally on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 03:29:01 PM EST
    LOL.

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    Salon: Kim Kardashian is the GOP's only hope (none / 0) (#58)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Nov 06, 2016 at 01:44:33 PM EST
    Kim Kardashian is the GOP's only hope: If American democracy is now a reality show, let's bring in a real star

    by David Masciotra, November 6, 2016

    One of the last unifying principles of the Republican Party is the relegation of women to child incubation. Anyone who takes a moderate position, not to mention a liberal one, on women as humans who have the right to control their own bodies is quickly excommunicated. Trump, who spent decades proudly proclaiming his pro-choice position, has demonstrated that the right wing will accept pandering in place of political consistency.
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