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New Hampshire Debate

Who moves you the most? Who do you think stands the best chance against Trump?

Can Elizabeth Warren make a comeback? Will Biden be toast after the New Hampshire primary?

Or are we doomed to another 4 years of the most horrible administration in our lifetimes?

Angry New Hampshire journalist who questions Pete embarrasses herself: She doesn't know the difference between decriminalization and legalization. Pete patiently explains -- partially. Before blaming the drug companies. How about blaming the laws restricting pain pills which lead people to heroin? Andrew Yang has a much better response.

Why are they giving Biden so much time? Why is he so angry, defensive and strident? Say No to Joe and the Politics of Yesterday. [More....]

I'm liking the policy positions of Bernie, Andrew Yang (when he's talking about something other than his money giveaway) and even Steyer.

Warren: She has another plan, this time for housing to reduce racism. "I have a plan" is not "I have a dream". She needs a new line. Also, I wish her voice had more than one pitch. My conclusion: No way would she beat Trump if the presidential nominee.

Bernie says he will end the war on drugs, end private prisons and cash bail (positions he really didn't latch onto until his first presidential run. Better late than never I guess, and certainly better than Joe Biden who pretends he didn't spend 25 years arguing and drafting bills that did the opposite.

Best closing: Amy Klobuchar (except when her voice cracked like she was going to cry.) Too bad she's both such a moderate and a former prosecutor (as she reminded us during tonight's debate.) She does sound pretty spot-on for New Hampshire which used to be the #1 "free state" but has since dropped to #2.

Aside from Joe Biden whom I won't support under any circumstances due to his abysmal record of drafting the nation's worst crime laws over the past 25 plus years, the only candidate who I'm not feeling it for is Pete B. He's more mayonaise-y than Amy (maybe ties with Elizabeth Warren there) but he doesn't have the depth of either. Can't we just leave Middle America behind for once and go for an urban minority progressive who by race, religion or gender, has personally experienced discrimination?

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    First good debate of the campaign (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Peter G on Fri Feb 07, 2020 at 07:34:54 PM EST
    is going on this evening. Check it out; it's on ABC. They're waking up (except Biden).

    Biden continues to look frail (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by MO Blue on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 11:38:11 AM EST
    Regardless of what you may think of his policies (I'm not a fan), IMO it would be a serious mistake to nominate Biden. He looks increasingly frail and not mentally sharp. He is also running a horrible, ineffective campaign which only highlights these negatives.

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    Biden and Bernie (none / 0) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 03:48:20 PM EST
    both should have sat this one out. Biden looks frail and so does Bernie. I saw an interview with Bernie the other day when his pants were hanging off of him and he was hunched over. He's at high risk for another cardiac event.

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    Agreed.... (none / 0) (#67)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 09:39:42 AM EST
    All policies aside, old Uncle Joe had that confused old-timer blank stare going quite a few times during the NH debate.  Bernie looks rather spry by comparison.

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    You mean, 'No Malarkey' and (none / 0) (#69)
    by vml68 on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 11:50:51 AM EST
    'You're a lying dog-faced pony soldier' are not the cool new slang that the kids these days are using? ;-)

    Bernie looks rather spry by comparison.

    Most definitely. It is surprising considering Bernie is the one who had a heart attack recently. The concern with Bernie is that the life expectancy for a man with a 'heart event' in his late 70's is about 3.5 years.
    If either one ends up being the nominee, the VP pick is going to be crucial.

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    You are absolutely correct (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Zorba on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 12:47:56 PM EST
    About the VP pick should Bernie win the nomination.

    While I have been committed to voting Blue (no matter who), I may have to seriously rethink this if Bernie wins and picks Tulsi for his VP nominee, as I have seen mentioned in several places as a possibility.

    I would not trust Tulsi Gabbard to be a heart beat away from the Presidency, and if the Dem ticket winds up Sanders-Gabbard, I am not sure that I could vote for that ticket.  Gabbard is a fascist-admiring, anti-LGBT DINO.

    Not that I would vote Trump.  But I don't know about voting for Gabbard, I really don't.  I will sacrifice to whatever gods there be that, if Bernie does win the nomination, he will not choose Tulsi.

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    The vice presidential (none / 0) (#71)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 01:04:27 PM EST
    pick will be important whomever the Democratic presidential nominee. For not only health-related, but also, other concerns. Thuggishness and violence are historic hallmarks of fascist movements. The Trump Republican Party has come to that point where the quiet is now spoken aloud.  

    Matt Schlapp, Chair of CPAC, has not only disinvited the former Republican standard bearer to the CPAC meeting but has done so out of expressed fear for Romney's physical safety.  It is not far-fetched to suggest new and serious risk to a Democratic President.

    As for a VP pick by Bernie, if he was the nominee, I wonder if he could select someone from the Democratic mainstream, such as Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar, without being tagged a sellout by his  most ardent supporters,  Would he be obligated to pick someone like Tulsi or Nina Turner?

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    Why not Warren? (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 01:06:10 PM EST
    If I was Sanders (shudder) it seems like an obvious way to consolidate the progressives.

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    Only downside there... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 01:13:19 PM EST
    is losing Liz in the senate, or vice-versa if Liz found a way to win the thing.

    I think Bernie/Liz would and could work with a moderate running mate, as long as said moderate is down to welcome the hatred of our oligarchs.

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    If Warren or Sanders is the nominee (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 01:25:50 PM EST
    I will vote and work for them

    If Bloomberg is the nominee will you vote for him?


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    I'm in NY... (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 01:47:26 PM EST
    I have certain voting liberties my friend (lol)...the question is will someone in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, & Wisconsin vote for Bloomberg?  Cuz those four and a couple more are the only states that actually count in the general.

    Now if I lived in one of those states I would have to, then I would be sick about it for 4 years and be looking for a 2024 primary challenger the day the oligarch is sworn in.  

     

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    Not the question (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 01:48:55 PM EST
    But whatever

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    To answer your question... (none / 0) (#79)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 01:59:12 PM EST
    it would be really f*ckin' hard to sign off on a guy trying to buy a thing that should not be for sale.  But as I said, moot point.

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    It's not actually (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 02:05:12 PM EST
    Not interested in starting anything but it matters if you for example continue to call the nominee an oligarch or whatever in forums like this.

    So support and vote are not the same thing.  If he is the nominee IMO we don't need friendly fire.

    So I would hope if you choose to vote for RentsToDamnHigh you might at least hold you fire on Bloomberg.

    If he is the nominee.

    That's all I have to say about it.

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    I pray he is not the nominee... (none / 0) (#82)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 02:23:22 PM EST
    but I will go back on hiatus if he is, cuz the fire would not be friendly.

    Liz said it best at the debate..."I don't think anyone ought to be able to buy their way into the nomination or to be president of the United States." A-f*ckin'-men.

    Pete, Amy, sh&t even Biden I could tolerate (barely)...but buying the thing is intolerable to me.  And I think it would damper voter turnout big time.  Trump-hate is not enough to win, the opponent must inspire in some way besides a bank balance.

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    I guess I just don't understand (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 02:32:42 PM EST
    Why it's only "buying it" if you use your own money.

    Cost at least a billion to run for President.  

    I also have a hard time getting why it's a bad thing for someone to take office being in debt to no one.  All things considered.    Who never spent a single day begging for money.

    It would be so great if we had publicly funded elections.

    But we don't.

    Until we do I for one think a rich guy using his own money is just as good as another guy using someone else's.  And then owing them for that.

    And if you seriously think Sanders would get elected without taking large donations......well

    I think you are misguided

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    Yes, Warren (none / 0) (#75)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 01:38:09 PM EST
    would likely be acceptable to the Bernies, but my wonderment is could he select someone like Harris, or even Pete without mutiny of ranks. Or, say Stacey Abrams or Val Demings.

    My great appreciation for Elizabeth was solidified by this:  An audience member in NH asked Warren if she ever wonders about "who is going to be her Mike Pence, looking at me with adoring eyes?"  Warren's response: "I already have a dog."

     

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    I don't think such a mutiny... (none / 0) (#81)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 02:06:03 PM EST
    is of any concern...the mutiny I would wonder about is how the establishment reacts.

    But I would think Bernie would want to select a running mate who he is confident will carry the torch should he not finish 4 or 8....which might make it a hard fit for a someone too middle of the road.

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    My assessment is (none / 0) (#83)
    by KeysDan on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 02:28:41 PM EST
    that the Establishment, which I assume is, primarily the high rollers, will react during the primaries but, in largest measure, Democratic voters will be all in for Bernie in the general---including not staying home.  Democrats know the stakes.

    I do think the vice presidential pick will be a factor, though.  More so than is customarily associated with the choice of veep.  Not just because of age or health factors, but also, as an indicator of a Sanders' Cabinet and other Executive branch appointments.  

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    Regarding (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 09:33:15 AM EST
    The debate Amy seems to be the winner.Bernie going  directly after Pete reeks of desperation. Bernie knows that 2 losses in his most favorable states spell doom for his campaign.Biden appeared to stem the losses. Warren appeared to change nothing for herself. Pete is Pete.He will probably win NH but his campaign will probably lose continually after that.

    Anyone Who Might Not Vote for the Dems Nominee (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by RickyJim on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 09:38:50 AM EST
    for President this November, please identify yourself.  Thanks in advance.

    What's old is new again. (2.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 05:34:47 PM EST

    Lizzie, " We need to start having race-conscious laws,"

    Dems have quite the history with that. I'm so old I can remember when race conscious laws were a bad thing.  

    Mayor Pete (none / 0) (#2)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 07, 2020 at 08:02:15 PM EST
    sounding really good on foreign policy.

    Everyone sounding good.

    Steyer and Yang have outlived their shelf life.

    But, now that I say that (none / 0) (#3)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 07, 2020 at 08:04:36 PM EST
    Steyer brings up climate change for the first time tonight.

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    Bernie doing climate change (none / 0) (#4)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 07, 2020 at 08:08:02 PM EST
    I think he has New Hampshire.  That would make him 2-0.

    Bernie is looking like he is it.

    I just got my California Primary ballot.  For the first time ever, I think, I do not know who I will vote for.

    Bernie does bring (none / 0) (#5)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 07, 2020 at 08:12:25 PM EST
    energy and focus...

    If he is the nominee, I would support him.  But not in Primary.

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    Yes MKS I just got my Florida primary ballot, (none / 0) (#13)
    by fishcamp on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 11:03:14 AM EST
    and we're in the same boat so to speak.  At least I can fish from my boat while waiting until 7:00 pm on March 17th. To vote.  So far I'm not seeing anyone whom I believe can beat Trump except maybe mini Mike (such a demeaning nickname).  He comes with $54 billion reasons to do things his way, as Trump has done, but Mike doesn't seem to be evil like Trump.  Mike has flip flopped from Republican to Democrat a few times  and I don't like his stop and search program, but other than that he's who I'm looking at for now.

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    Hey (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 11:18:44 AM EST
    You know what in that box Bloomberg is standing on?

    It's money.

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    It will be interesting to see if (none / 0) (#35)
    by ragebot on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 10:40:59 PM EST
    Warren or Klobuchar ask Bloomberg if he is woke.

    It is a sure bet someone will bring it up.

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    Aside from the (none / 0) (#6)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 07, 2020 at 08:15:50 PM EST
    ritual and rote MFA dustup, nobody going after nobody.

    Ha (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 09:10:32 AM EST
    Can't we just leave Middle America behind for once and go for an urban minority progressive who by race, religion or gender, has personally experienced discrimination?

    I agree.  And if you want to really agree, come and live in my neck of the woods for a while.

    As far as Bernie I also agree.  I can't stand him but, as should have always been true, I don't have to like him.  

    Maher said something last night in a throw away line that is kind of what I have been thinking but phrased better and funny.

    I don't care enough to find the actual quote but it was something like

    "The fact Sanders controls an angry mob might not be a bad thing"

    This is very true.

    The Trump campaign is actually running ads that basically say "he not a good man but he's a strong man.  And now we need strong man"

    I am completely open to the possibility what we might need an angry man.  And we definitely got one.

    And I don't believe for a second what the spokesguy said last night about never taking Bloomberg's money.  He will take it.  If it comes to that.

    That said, I still think it will be Mr B.

    Mahrer (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 09:35:50 AM EST
    I think is misreading. People are sick of anger and drama which is what Bernie and Trump bring. Both are grievance candidates. People want a change from that

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    Rolling (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 10:09:26 AM EST
    I think (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 11:44:31 AM EST
    Amy is right when she says nobody is going to out divide Trump. We gotta offer something better and Bernie ain't it

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    About Pete (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 09:22:55 AM EST
    So true.

    I love Mayo.

    But I would love Pete more if there was less Mayo and more Crisco.

    I'm trying really hard (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by CST on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 11:55:46 AM EST
    To climb off the ledge and come around to the idea of Bernie or Pete.

    It matters that good people would be empowered and inspired by their candidacies even if I am not.

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    Everytime, I try to come around to the idea (none / 0) (#18)
    by vml68 on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 12:59:04 PM EST
    of Bernie, I read something that makes that feeling go away.

    On "Real Time with Bill Maher," former Trump White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon used his time to make a pitch to Bernie Sanders supporters.

    "Either don't vote or vote for Trump," Bannon said. "The Bernie people helped make Trump president and they're gonna help make Trump president again, because he's been screwed by the Democratic Party."

    Yes, I know Bannon is trying to drive a wedge but he is only able to because Bernie gave him an opening with his constant bashing of the democratic party and his claims that the primaries was/is rigged. And, also, with his rehiring of his top surrogates from the last election, most of whom were quite vocal about not supporting/voting for Clinton.

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    I know (none / 0) (#19)
    by CST on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 01:39:05 PM EST
    I'm not talking about the campaign though, I'm talking about the voters. Bernie's campaign had a huge problem in 2016 with his outreach into non-white urban communities.  He's done much better this time - as demonstrated in Iowa. That matters to me, if only because people tend to feel accountable to their base, and it shows that he is capable of learning a lesson. We will see if that holds.

    The wedge with the Democratic party is a huge problem but the solution is not to hold grudges. It's hard, it's not a grace that is being granted by many on the Bernie "side". I am angry as hell but I'm trying.  For me personally, it helps to know good people who do feel inspired by him and do show grace. That's all I'm saying.

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    Bernie lost (none / 0) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 02:07:14 PM EST
    1/2 of his support from African Americans in one week. Bernie just does not seem to understand how toxic his campaign is to many people.

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    Well he might be the nominee (none / 0) (#21)
    by CST on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 02:28:31 PM EST
    As one of the people who finds him toxic I'm trying really hard to get over it.  I'm not going to support him in the primary but it is what it is.

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    Well (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 02:51:46 PM EST
    If he is the nominee i hope we are able to hold the house. Pelosi says we won't though. If Bernie cared about the country he would not have run. We already know he hates the party. Senate is zero chance of changing. I feel like the nightmare of 2016 is repeating with no one willing to really go after Bernie and his history. Some of it is coming out though. Tweety talked about it last night.

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    Hey, Cap'n H, when Warren took a shot (none / 0) (#28)
    by Peter G on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 04:24:42 PM EST
    at Buttigieg by saying that certain other candidates (i.e., Mayor Pete) were "sucking up" to millionaires and billionaires, did you think an anti-gay innuendo was intended? I hear the negative expression that this or that "sucks" as anti-gay, i.e., negative because it is what "those people" do. Do you also react that way?

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    I say BS (none / 0) (#29)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 04:31:04 PM EST
    Grow up.  Get a life. Ridiculous.

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    I have a life, thanks (none / 0) (#30)
    by Peter G on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 06:46:21 PM EST
    But I appreciate your responding, I guess.

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    Such a measured response. Admirable. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by oculus on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 07:09:39 PM EST
    That was the response (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 08:29:32 PM EST
    To "whoever" thinks saying it sucks is anti gay.  Not you.  Well, unless you believe that which I did not assume.

    That is seriously stupid.  As far as it being "measured", thank you.  It was the polite response.   I have others if you like.

    It is a pathetic typically snowflake thing to even say.  I hate that shi+

    It sucks means it sucks.  Just like it always has.

    Clear enough?

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    Oh man (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 08:52:22 PM EST
    Sorry, this is OT but I was asked

    Having difficulty believing this level of snowflakedom was being pushed, even on the internets, I googled.  I learned there are now apparently at least 4 other common terms, besides it sucks, used daily by people who not only harbor no dislike for gays but actually are gay, that are anti gay and unacceptable for use in "polite company"

    Four Things You Didn't Know Were Homophobic and One You Did

    Seriously, the stupid.  It burns.

    With all the actual problems we actually have some moron language police person wants to take away my right to say it sucks.

    I think that sucks.  

    Was that more measured?

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    You talkin to me? Cause my reply was to peter g. (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 01:07:47 AM EST
    Pete Buttigieg as Goldilocks: (none / 0) (#44)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 02:39:49 PM EST
    Los Angeles Times | February 9, 2020
    Doyle McManus: Column: Buttigieg wants to be the Goldilocks candidate. It just might work - "[Pete Buttigieg] has cast himself as the Goldilocks candidate: younger and more progressive than Joe Biden or Amy Klobuchar, but more moderate and less combative than Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. 'You don't have to choose between the status quo ... and the revolution,' he said recently. Much of his stump speech is a call for 'generational change,' an attempt to turn his youth and earnest Eagle Scout demeanor into an advantage."

    In an accelerated primary election season where most of the convention delegates will be pledged to candidates before April, perceived momentum can be everything. If Buttigieg can somehow break through in New Hampshire and Nevada, and that's still a big "IF," Joe Biden's South Carolina firewall may not be enough to deflect a boulder that's rolling downhill. But if he can't, I think his campaign will probably (and quickly) fizzle out.

    Aloha.

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    I think Amy might be the dark horse (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 02:52:49 PM EST
    Or Pete.  He was good today.  But the base really wants a woman. And I don't think there is widespread doubt she could do it.  I said from the beginning she was my choice.   I really think she might catch lightening in a bottle.  She is third in some polls.  If she was second in NH it could change everything

    And here's the thing.  If she did break out, or Pete either maybe but definitely I can't imagine Bloomberg running against her.  He might but he always said he was fine with a centrist candidate.  Centrist is her middle name.

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    Amy (none / 0) (#53)
    by FlJoe on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 04:13:28 PM EST
    was impressive at the debate, her closing statement was among the best political sound bite I've heard all season. Probably too little to late but if she can scrape out anything close to 15% in NH she can carry on.

    Pete is ok, he is a good talker but mostly empty words to my ears. His youth and gayness makes him seem like a novelty candidate, I would love to be proved wrong but I think both will be net negatives moving forward.

    IMO Biden is toast and the huge unanswered question is where does the Black vote go? Bernie's been courting them for six years with minimal success, Pete started with a zero baseline, Warren
    not much better and Amy is probably who's that?

    I like Amy as a dark horse, but she needs Biden to crash and burn soon and hope the "novelty" wears off of Mayor Pete.

    FTR, I think her elect-ability factor may currently be the best out there.

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    Just me (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 04:50:38 PM EST
    but I think the novelty of Pete is gonna be gone by the time Super Tuesday rolls around. The question of the ages is where does Biden's support go?

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    Tell me about Oscar picks (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 02:53:27 PM EST
    In the open.

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    Pete (none / 0) (#47)
    by FlJoe on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 03:25:28 PM EST
    more progressive than Klobuchar or Biden? I don't think so.

    Less combative than Bernie surely but Warren never seemed particularly combative (oh yeah I forgot she's a woman).


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    My impression (none / 0) (#58)
    by KeysDan on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 06:37:27 PM EST
    Is that Pete is more progressive than Amy.  Both are having difficulty gaining the AA vote,  Pete has consistently been singled out in debates about his record in South Bend, but Amy's record when prosecutor does not.  His Medicare for all who want it seems more progressive than her ideas  His Supreme Court reorganization, although not practical, is, at least, an effort to address the Moscow Mitch legacy.  

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    This (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by FlJoe on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 06:50:55 PM EST
    doesn't too progressive
    Pete Buttigieg called on Democrats to get more serious about lowering the national debt, portraying himself as the biggest fiscal hawk in the presidential field and taking a shot at chief New Hampshire rival Bernie Sanders for being too spendthrift.
    Even Pete thinks so
    Buttigieg said it's "important" and vowed to focus on limiting the debt even though it's "not fashionable in progressive circles."
     His  ill defined "Medicare for all who want it" plan is pretty much the public option that Amy and Joe want to add to Obama Care.

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    Amy's (none / 0) (#61)
    by KeysDan on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 08:28:41 PM EST
    "Govern with a Fiscal Responsibility"  plan goes in a similar direction.. As does her support of the Budget Reduction Act.  May be splitting hairs in the differences but Pete's rhetoric is probably to co-opt Republican election year fake  fiscal re-awakening.

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    New Globe Suffolk (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 07:33:03 AM EST
    Sanders 27 +3

    Pete 19 -3

    Amy 14 +5

    Biden 12 -2

    Warren 12 -1

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    Heilemann (none / 0) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 07:37:15 AM EST
    Said she had the biggest ever yet last night.

    Lightening the n a bottle

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    Trend lines are everything (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 08:26:06 AM EST
    I can't find the visual for the graph they just showed but you can picture it.  Since Feb 7 Pete has gone from 25% to 19%.  In the same period Amy has gone from 6% to 14%.

    The trend lines are a mirror image.  It looks like she is taking more from Pete than Biden.  But Pete has more to take.

    This really could end up being the story out of NH.

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    the main (none / 0) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 08:50:44 AM EST
    attraction of Pete was to beat Bernie. If another candidate can do it then I bet a lot of people are going to migrate to said candidate. If Amy manages to pull off 2nd it will be THE story. It would kind of be like 1992 where Clinton came in second and nobody remembers who actually won the NH primary.

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    How does Pete Buttigieg shed over 20% ... (none / 0) (#100)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 06:16:17 PM EST
    CaptHowdy: "Since Feb 7 Pete has gone from 25% to 19%."

    ... of his support in only three days, unless that support was never really there in the first place? This is why I tend to not trust tracking polls on a daily basis or put too much emphasis on them. And really, the primary fault for that lies with the media and not with you, who's just talking about what you're reading and hearing.

    The media really need to get away from promoting the horse race stuff as an inordinate and often disproportionate measure of political viability, and instead focus their effort far more on reporting what the candidates actually say and do on the campaign trail. Politics is not a reality show, or some other vicarious form of public entertainment. And not all political races deserve to be recast as necessarily competitive, merely for the sake of the media's self-absorbed obsession with its own relevance.

    When the media deliberately put their thumbs on the scales, as was obviously the case with Hillary Clinton in 2016, and their obligation to inform the public and elevate the discussion instead gives way to the bread and circuses of pseudo-scandals, folderol and other such hullabaloo, they clearly risk allowing truly mediocre, shallow and ingratiating candidates like Donald Trump to punch well above their weight class at the expense of often far more worthy, competent and sober-minded opponents.

    We're now paying a very heavy price for that.

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    My take: (none / 0) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 12:06:55 PM EST
    Whatever Steyer may have added to the primary is now passe. Yang was given opportunity to flesh out his singular idea but just repeated what he has been saying all along. It is also time for him to bow out.

    Joe Biden was much better than in previous debates, but he still does not engender confidence for the trials and tribulations of the campaign ahead.  Pete gave a much better response to Trump's attacks on him and his son, Hunter, than Biden has ever done himself.

    Bernie was Bernie. Consistent, unchanged. While both Pete and Bernie came out of Iowa at the head of the pack the target was Pete.  There seemed to be a reluctance to engage Bernie or, perhaps, to antagonize his supporters. Besides, they may have considered pickings in Pete's lane to be riper for them.

    Elizabeth Warren does not do critiques of fellow Democrats well. She is much better in presenting her always thoughtful plans and in calling out the impeached Trump for being the incompetent and sleaze he is. She did well overall.

    Amy seems to be credited with her best performance evidenced, in part, by generating new funding. Her approach to debate was to go after Pete, which is fair game.  However, as in past debates, Amy considered Pete with condescension. the sub-rosa argument appeared to be: why are you here on the stage with me, a great Senator from the Midwest. We already have a new comer in the White House and see what that brought us, she said.  Apparently, Pete and Trump are the same. There was not much challenge to policy, more along the lines of his youth (58 is the new 38)and inexperience/elections (although none of candidates other than Biden have won a national election).

    Questioners asked about Pete's lack of support from AA voters and his record as mayor.  Amy glossed over a question related to assertions that she was an over-zealous prosecutor. And, no mention of a call by Minneapolis civil rights leaders(Jan 31, 2020)to immediately suspend her campaign, after a report raised questions about whether a black teenager was wrongly convicted of murder during her tenure as Hennepin County attorney.

    The "winners", in my view, are Pete, for handling himself well; Bernie, for steadfastness; and Amy, for being a determined debater, notwithstanding the reservations above.  

     

    keydans, that was very (none / 0) (#22)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 02:50:07 PM EST
    well expressed and I agree with you on the winners.

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    The (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 02:54:27 PM EST
    Calls for her to quit the race were really due Biden's problems in Iowa

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    Sorry to learn former prosecutors are (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 03:09:53 PM EST
    automatically disqualified as Dem. presidential nominee.  In my opinion both Adam Schiff and Jason Crow appear to have what it takes.

    Not a conclusion (none / 0) (#27)
    by KeysDan on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 03:20:42 PM EST
    I would draw.  Need to look wider and deeper. Agree on Schiff and Crow.  And, I would add Kamala Harris.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 03:54:13 PM EST
    While I always appreciate the sentiments from the proprietor of this blog, who's also a criminal defense counsel, I'm looking to elect a president here, and not a state attorney general, local district attorney or judge.

    As a general rule, I don't necessarily disqualify presidential candidates from further consideration on the basis of one particular topic with which I may disagree with them. I'll only do so when they deliberately make such an issue one of the key focal points of their own respective campaigns, e.g., as a stalwart proponent of capital punishment or "state's rights," or as a vigorous opponent of a woman's right to choose or environmental law. And that's because I can see how the rest of it will eventually follow, should such a person be elected.

    I know I've said this time and again, but apparently it still bears repeating: In politics, perfect is always the enemy of good. I can't stress this enough to my fellow Democrats and progressives this year. We need to win this election, not place or show. When we're divided, we generally lose. That's why I'm avoiding any overt criticisms of our party's major presidential candidates. (Take a hint, Nina Turner and Bernie Bros.) We need to stand united with our nominee, whoever he or she may be.

    So as I see it, the core issue this election year is not universal healthcare, criminal justice reform or even civil rights or climate change. Rather, it's President Donald Trump and his deplorable, wretched, incompetent and corrupt conduct in office.

    Because unless and until we get rid of Trump and this malevolent clown car of an administration, absolutely none of our concerns as Democrats and progressives for any of these otherwise very important, worthy and critical issues is ever going to matter.

    In this particular presidential election, I'm looking for someone who's knowledgeable, honest, principled, fair-minded, emotionally mature, empathetic, diligent and competent, because that's everything the current Oval Office occupant and his opportunistic cronies are not. And right now from my perspective, I'm quite happy that each one of the major Democratic candidates meets those basic criteria.

    I'm voting Blue, no matter who.

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    Agreed. I'm sorry, too. (none / 0) (#52)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 04:03:15 PM EST
    oculus: "Sorry to learn former prosecutors are automatically disqualified as Dem. presidential nominee."

    While I always appreciate the sentiments from the proprietor of this blog, who's also a criminal defense counsel, I would argue that we're looking to elect a president here, and not a state attorney general, local district attorney or judge.

    As a general rule, I don't necessarily disqualify presidential candidates from further consideration on the basis of one particular topic with which I may disagree with them.

    I'll only do so when they deliberately make such an issue one of the key focal points of their own respective campaigns, e.g., as a stalwart proponent of capital punishment or "state's rights," or as a vigorous opponent of a woman's right to choose or environmental law. And that's because I can see how the rest of it will eventually follow, should such a person be elected.

    I know I've said this time and again, but apparently it still bears repeating: In politics, perfect is always the enemy of good. I can't stress this enough to my fellow Democrats and progressives this year. We need to win this election, not place or show. When we're divided, we generally lose. That's why I'm avoiding any overt and strident criticisms of our party's major presidential candidates. (Take a hint, Nina Turner and Bernie Bros.) We need to be able to rally together and stand united with our nominee, whoever he or she may be.

    So as I see it, the core issue this election year is not universal healthcare, criminal justice reform, college student loan reform, or even civil rights or climate change. Rather, it's President Donald Trump and his deplorable, wretched, incompetent and corrupt conduct in office.

    Because unless and until we get rid of Trump and this malevolent clown car of an administration, absolutely none of our concerns as Democrats and progressives for any of these otherwise very important, worthy and critical issues is ever going to matter.

    In this particular presidential election, I'm looking for someone who's knowledgeable, honest, principled, fair-minded, emotionally mature, empathetic, diligent and competent, because that's everything the current Oval Office occupant and his opportunistic cronies are not. And right now from my perspective, I'm quite happy that each one of the major Democratic candidates meets those basic criteria.

    I'm voting Blue, no matter who.

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    Sorry for the double post. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 04:13:50 PM EST
    The page went blank and then indicated an error in connection, and so I backtracked to the previous page, not realizing that it had already posted. I know they talk a lot about 5G internet on the U.S. mainland, but we don't have that in Hawaii, and we're not even close. And over here on the Big Island, connection outages have been a longstanding and vexing problem, because we simply don't have the bandwidth capacity to the extent that the rest of you do.

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    As a follow-up (none / 0) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 03:11:50 PM EST
    To the debate, Biden released an ad comparing his significant accomplishments with those of Buttigieg's. The Buttigieg accomplishments of the ad minimize the work of mayors, e.g, bridges and sidewalk repairs, and adds a stereotypic recognition of Pete's decorative and aesthetic skills---installed lights on bridges to cast colorful hues on the water and designed sidewalks with decorative bricks.  

    Something to be expected from a Trump.  And, probably not endearing to small town mayors   Probably a few of them around New Hampshire.

    Post campaign shake-up one assumes. A miss. (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Sat Feb 08, 2020 at 07:10:57 PM EST
    Polling has Bernie ahead (none / 0) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 07:27:27 AM EST
    Sometimes by as much as 10 but this one is really interesting

    it has Amy in third, Warren in fourth and Biden in FIFTH

    I think that might put the Biden campaign out of its misery.

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    Sanders Leads In New Hampshire Tracking Polls

    February 9, 2020 at 8:06 am EST By Taegan Goddard 12 Comments

    A new Boston Globe/WBZ-TV/Suffolk University poll in New Hampshire finds Bernie Sanders leading the Democratic primary race with 24%, followed by Pete Buttitieg at 22%, Elizabeth Warren at 13%, Joe Biden at 10% and Amy Klobuchar at 9%.

    Said pollster David Paleologos: "Amy Klobuchar's strong debate performance had not only stopped Pete Buttigieg's momentum but now she is the interesting person to watch"

    A new 7NEWS/Emerson College poll finds Sanders leading with 30%, followed by Buttigieg at 20%, Klobuchar at 13%, Warren at 12% and Biden at 11%.



    Bobble talk (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 10:21:09 AM EST
    Sanders Won't Commit to Releasing Medical Records

    February 9, 2020 at 10:48 am EST By Taegan Goddard 53 Comments

    Sen. Bernie Sanders declined to tell NBC News when he'll release more of his medical records.

    Said Sanders: "We've released a substantive part."

    It's the Bernie and Pete Show today.

    Scanning looks like they are in firm.  Pete is very good.  Sanders is Sanders.

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    In FORM (none / 0) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 10:35:18 AM EST
    Only Bernie is infirm

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    Maybe a little OT (none / 0) (#38)
    by ragebot on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 10:20:28 AM EST
    Just saw a new (to me, seems to have first appeared Wed.) Bloomberg ad.  It was still pix of Bloomberg with Obama and voice overs of Obama praising Bloomberg for doing stuff.  While not quite over the top the praise was far greater than anything I have seen Obama say about Biden.

    So far to me it seems like Bloomberg is going heavy on his record of gun control.

    There was a little speculation in the link that using Obama in the ad may not have been done with Obama's position; but that seems hard for me to believe.

    I know Obama has, at least under the table, dissed Sanders.  But his position is that he will not endorse anyone till much later on.  Guess my question is has Obama moved into Bloomberg's corner.

    The more interesting question (none / 0) (#40)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 10:25:31 AM EST
    Is will Biden move into Bloomberg's corner.

    Biden Warns that Sanders Will Lose Big

    February 9, 2020 at 10:54 am EST By Taegan Goddard 47 Comments

    Joe Biden intensified his warning to Democrats telling ABC News that nominating Sen. Bernie Sanders could lead to a stinging defeat in November, but he vowed to "work like hell" to help elect the Vermont senator if that's who wins the party's nomination.

    And I'm pretty sure Obama would not have been used without his permission.    On the other hand, video is video.  It's not like he would really need permission.  I doubt Trump has given permission for all the democrat ads he appears in.

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    Seems like (none / 0) (#48)
    by ragebot on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 03:44:46 PM EST
    Bloomberg (none / 0) (#51)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 03:54:38 PM EST
    really gets under your skin it seems. Almost every thing you post here is about Bloomberg or Bernie.

    Judging by my Trumper relatives this past weekend he gets under their skin too because he is constantly making people laugh at Trump and pointing out how much of an idiot Trump is and how corrupt he is.

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    My posts are about (none / 0) (#60)
    by ragebot on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 07:01:15 PM EST
    Sanders because he is the favorite to win the nomination; not to mention he really seems to get under the skin of a lot of posters here.  Sanders has been bashed here way more than anyone else despite his leading.

    Bloomberg seems to be the favorite of several regular posters here even thought he hardly registers in the polls despite his spending being off the charts.

    I am far from the only person who has noted Bloomberg has not been subject to any scrutiny; several of the candidates have noted he is trying to buy the nomination.  Both Sanders and Warren have said what Bloomberg is doing is wrong.

    The underlying theme is that the dems don't have a real candidate and seem to be searching for a way to stop the current frontrunner Sanders; something that does not bode well for party unity.

    Being reminded that the dems are in disarray and don't seem to have any real plan to unify; not to mention one candidate seems to be throwing money around at a historic rate really seems to get under your skin.

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    Sanders (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 08:56:42 AM EST
    is not the favorite. He has lost support from 2016 . He has a core 20% of support and that is about it. We all know you guys are pushing Sanders because it is who you want to run against. I mean why else would someone like Hugh Hewitt declare he was voting for Sanders. LOL.

    We're not authoritarian like the GOP therefore it's always going to be "disarray". Look what the lockstep of the GOP has brought you? That is Trump being allowed to break the law and the Russian mafia owning the presidency. So LOL yeah, it's so much better on the GOP side. However, it seems most conservatives are fine with Putin running the country.

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    As my friend the Capt posted (none / 0) (#92)
    by ragebot on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 03:30:10 PM EST
    Sanders is the frontrunner.  He is leading everyone in terms of contributions.  His base is the most energized.  He is the favorite to win NH.

    All of this against all the headwinds against Sanders the establishment dems can muster.  In some ways it reminds me of how Trump emerged from the crowd to win the nomination while the establishment pubs threw roadblocks in his path.  

    I am not sure anyone can mount a legit threat to Sanders entering the convention with the lead in delegates.  Maybe your definition of "favorite" is different than mine but I really don't see anyone catching Sanders.

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    He's what you ignore (none / 0) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 05:13:00 PM EST
    he's polling at 25% and you assume everybody is just going to "fall in line" behind him. His endorsement of Joe Rogan cost him dearly with POC. There are a lot of voters just hanging out without a candidate and there's the other 75% of voters to have a say in all this. Sanders is a known quantity. He's not going to get the nomination with 25% support. We're onto his stunts this time. Klobuchar has started making fun of the stunts. Last time he got the benefit of the doubt. This time he will not. I know you're desperate.

    If anybody truly believes he is "leading" then the vetting should begin. Watch for it. It's not going to be pretty.

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    You (none / 0) (#99)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 05:52:22 PM EST
    had me until that headwind BS. It's in your head alright.

    Biden crashed and burned, Bernie inherited the lead more by default than any expansion of his base.

    Polling is starting to indicate most of Biden's losses are going to Bloomberg.

    Yeah Bernie is in the lead but there is at least one fast car coming up in the rear view.

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    I consider (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 06:23:47 PM EST
    Bernie's nebulous "lead" to be less substantive than Biden's. Biden at least had polling in the 40's which Bernie has never reached this campaign season. Bernie also looks as ill as Biden. Bernie and Biden are both foolish old men that let their ego get the best of them.  

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    Wow. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 10:37:21 AM EST

     Can't we just leave Middle America behind for once and go for an urban minority progressive who by race, religion or gender, has personally experienced discrimination?

    Do you mean just like the last three Dem nominees?  2016 a woman, 2012 a black, 2008 a black.

    Spinach and Mushroom Lasagna (Serves 8-10): (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Feb 09, 2020 at 05:05:47 PM EST
    Sauce Ingredients:
    • 1½ lbs. cremini mushrooms (roughly chopped)
    • ½ lb. shiitake mushrooms (roughly chopped)
    • Pinch of salt
    • 1 cup white onions (chopped)
    • ¼ cup extra virgin olive oil (plus more for keeping the noodles from sticking to each other)
    • 4 cloves garlic (chopped, about 4 teaspoons)
    • 1 (6 oz.) can tomato paste
    • 2 cups tomato sauce
    • 1 (28 oz.) can tomatoes (crushed)
    • 1 cup water
    • 1 tablespoon dried thyme
    • ½ teaspoon red pepper flakes
    • 1 tablespoon sugar

    Lasagna Ingredients:
    • 2 (10 oz.) boxes spinach (frozen chopped, thawed and squeezed in clean towel of excess moisture)
    • 1 lb. lasagna noodles (16 to 20 noodles)
    • 1 (15 or 16 oz.) container ricotta cheese
    • ¼ cup fresh basil (chopped)
    • ¼ cup Parmesan cheese (grated)
    • 4 cups mozzarella cheese (shredded)

    Directions:
    Sauté the mushrooms: Place mushrooms in a large (6 to 8 quart) sauté pan on high or medium high heat. Stir them with a wooden spoon or shake the pan from time to time. (You may hear them squeak.)

    Sprinkle salt over the mushrooms. The mushrooms will sizzle and then start to release water. (Note that you are not adding fat at this point to the pan; this method of cooking mushrooms in their own moisture is called "dry sautéing.")

    Once the mushrooms start to release water into the pan, stir in the chopped onions. Cook until the mushrooms are no longer releasing moisture and the mushroom water has boiled away, about 5 minutes more.

    Make the sauce: Add the olive oil to the mushrooms and stir to coat. Sauté the mushrooms and onions for about a minute. Add the garlic and cook for another minute.

    Stir in the tomato paste, cook for a minute longer. Reserve 1 cup of the tomato sauce (it will go in the bottom of the casserole dish), and put the remaining cup of tomato sauce into the pot with the mushrooms.  Add the large can of crushed tomatoes and one cup of water.

    Stir in the thyme, sugar, and red pepper flakes. (If you are using dried basil instead of fresh, add it now.) Bring to a simmer, then lower the heat and simmer on a low simmer, for 20 minutes.

    Once the sauce is simmering, salt the boiling pasta water, and add the dry lasagna noodles to the boiling water.  (The water should be at a vigorous, rolling boil.) Stir gently, making sure that the noodles are not sticking to each other.

    Cook and prepare the pasta: Set the timer for 8 minutes, or however long is indicated on the package of the noodles. Cook uncovered on a high boil.

    When the noodles are ready (al dente, cooked through but still firm to the bite), drain the noodles in a colander, and rinse them to cool them with cold water.  As you rinse them, gently separate them with your fingers so they don't stick to each other.

    Prepare a couple large cookie sheets or baking sheets by spreading a tablespoon of olive oil over the baking sheets.

    Place the lasagna noodles on the sheets, gently coating them with a bit of that olive oil, and spreading them out. This will help keep them from sticking to each other while you finish the sauce and prepare the layered casserole.

    Assemble the lasagna: Turn off the heat on the stovetop for the sauce. Preheat the oven to 350°F.

    Spread the one cup of reserved tomato sauce over the bottom of a large (preferably 10" x 15") casserole dish.

    Place a layer of lasagna noodles down over the tomato sauce, slightly overlapping. (For a 10" x 15" dish, we ultimately fit 3 layers of 6 noodles each, with 2 extra noodles on which to nosh.)

    Sprinkle half of the ricotta cheese over the noodles, and half of the defrosted, drained, and squeezed out spinach over the ricotta.

    Sprinkle half of the mozzarella cheese over the spinach, and just a quarter of the parmesan cheese.

    Then spoon 1/3 of your mushroom sauce over the mozzarella. Sprinkle half of the fresh basil over the sauce.

    Repeat the layering process. Place a second layer of noodles over the sauce. Spread the remaining ricotta, spinach, and mozzarella over the noodles. Sprinkle another quarter of the parmesan along with the mozzarella. Top with another third of the mushroom sauce and the remaining fresh basil.

    Layer your final layer of lasagna noodles over the sauce. Spread the remaining sauce over the lasagna noodles, and sprinkle with the remaining parmesan cheese.

    Bake the lasagna: Pull out a sheet of aluminum foil large enough to cover the casserole dish. Spread a little olive oil over the inside of the piece of foil (the side that will have contact with the lasagna). Place the foil over the casserole dish and crimp the edges.

    Bake at 350°F for 25 minutes, then remove the foil and bake uncovered for an additional 25 minutes. Take the lasagna out of the oven when done and let it rest 10 minutes before cutting to serve.

    Once made, the lasagna should last about a week in the refrigerator.

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    From the hours worth I saw... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 09:52:23 AM EST
    I thought Liz had the best debate.  She was fired up and and firing up the live crowd. Amy & Bernie also did well.  I like Yang but debates are definitely not his strong suit, he comes off a bit awkwardly.  Steyer was a little desperate for attention, not a good look.  Biden got the worst of it...in horse racing parlance, he is a prime candidate for the glue factory.

    According to Q (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 01:42:18 PM EST
    It looks (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 02:48:43 PM EST
    like Bloomberg is going to overtake Sanders into the lead or someone else is going to benefit from Biden's demise because it is not going to be Sanders.

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    I expect Bloomberg (none / 0) (#86)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 02:50:14 PM EST
    Will be second soon.

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    Is Bloomberg-Warren the Dream Ticket? (none / 0) (#94)
    by RickyJim on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 03:34:36 PM EST
    Odd couple tickets are certainly not unprecedented.  Would she accept the job of closing all tax loopholes rather than the futile task of pushing a wealth tax through?

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    Hard to believe Warren (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 03:41:35 PM EST
    Would do it.

    My prediction has been Kamala ever since she dropped out and a whole bunch of her high profile supporters endorsed Bloomberg.

    I think that would actually be way better.  

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    Bloomberg (none / 0) (#87)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 02:54:40 PM EST
    is the strongest candidate against Trump according to that poll.

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    And this seems important (none / 0) (#90)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 03:10:06 PM EST
    Bloomberg gets a negative 34 - 40 percent, with 25 percent who haven't heard enough about him;

    That he has the lowest negative of the top 4 is not the interesting part of that.  It's that 25% don't even know who he is.

    25%, meet a gazillion bucks worth of glossy commercials.

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    The only ones (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 03:20:56 PM EST
    that have positive numbers are Amy and Pete.

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    I (none / 0) (#88)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 02:58:05 PM EST
    see Bloomberg is at 12% with Blacks trailing only 38% from Biden and 16% for Bernie, Buttigieg is still struggling @ 3%.

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    Bloomberg (none / 0) (#89)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 03:00:55 PM EST
    Has a whole bunch of young black mayors and others that will show up when they need to.

    Not because he bought them but because he helped them.

    Everyone will know this soon I expect

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    read (none / 0) (#93)
    by FlJoe on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 03:33:26 PM EST
    the wrong crosstab he has 22% AA support second only to Biden @ 27.

    His second choice number is a paltry 6%.

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    A couple of day ago (none / 0) (#95)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 03:38:29 PM EST
    Nicole did a whole show on Bloomberg with Al Sharpton, Jason Johnson and some other black journalists.

    They all agreed there was a very big unreported story of Bloomberg's AA support.  That they heard it every where they go and they all thought it was odd it was not being reported.

    I'm sure it's online   Maybe I will look.

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    Here it is (none / 0) (#97)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Feb 10, 2020 at 03:59:16 PM EST
    Mostly the way I remember it

    Bloomberg comes up about 6 minutes in

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