But this is the first time I have been this angry about this many election/campaign-related issues.

My blood pressure won't let me watch much media, up front and personal.  Ssomewhat easier to read about it secondhand.

Clinton:  "Count every vote!"
Obama: "THE RULES THE RULES"
DNC nominee:  Barack Obama
GE Winner:  John McCain

It's hard to believe there is no voice of authority at the DNC.

I guess we're just lucky Dean DIDN'T get elected to the presidency, given his lack of skill at a much smaller - though not less contentious - venue.

I LOVE THEM FOR THIS! THEY are on the side of the voters and the Obama people (and I use that word "people" LOOSLEY) are so far off the mark they should all hang their heads in shame.

but we should at least agree that the Primaries in MI and FLA were not sanctioned by the actual Democratic Party that existed in January of 2008.

Michigan already has a statewide primary scheduled for August 5 for local and state elections. Florida has a similar statewide primary scheduled for August 26, the second day of the Democratic convention in Denver. Why not let the two states add a Hillary Clinton-Barack Obama election to the ballots for those two primaries?

Adding that election to the already scheduled primaries for those two dates wouldn't add any additional cost to the states.

They would simply have to print a new ballot.

"Across the board, every state that had an exit poll in both 2004 and 2008 shows massive drop off in the focus on electability. Electability died in this primary season. Good. As long we win in November, it should be a long time before the party is dominated by that unproductive concept once again."

Many folks are doubtful about whether the Clinton campaign would be working so hard to seat these disputed delegates if they wouldn't aid her cause. This doubt might not be present had she fought for the delegates to be seated prior to when she felt that she needed them (just around the South Carolina election), if she hadn't issued statements upholding the DNC's ruling back in 2007, and if some of the same people who made the rules weren't part of her campaign.

Just the FYI.

This is especially true given that HBO rolls out Recount--the story of the debacle in Florida in 2000 on Sunday.

Here is a link to Clinton Supporters Count Too:

As far as the media is concerned, they have a narrative going and they won't let inconvenient truths stand in the way of a good narrative.  

...Obama's May 20 Bash: A Cynical Replay of Election Night 2000 (with update)

...So, now in 2008 we have Axelrod shooing away voters and starting his blitz to convince everyone that Obama is the winner with the full co-operation of the media, just like the events of Election Night 2000 which were started on FOX and then picked up by the rest of the crowd. The above video shows the first salvo in the ensuing bandwagon that has become the main message for our consumption since May 8, the night of the Indiana and North Carolina primaries....

Much more...

Do this:  Write something about any Super Delegate who endorses Obama going forward.

Aren't those SDs now taking a stand on this issue?

Can't we now say that any SD endorsing Obama going forward has decided those votes don't count?

Oh. My. Gosh.  How appropriate!

 And zealous Senator Clinton supporters agree, which hardens the hearts of liberals who question Senator Clinton's liberal credentials.  Looking back to President Clinton, they remember his about face to win reelection.  And they were told they didn't have any other choice.  Throw your vote away, they were told, by voting for a third party candidate.  Sensibly, they didn't vacate the party en masse, only to be bullied by so-called "centrists" eight years later.  

 Then, in fantasy land, Senator Clinton wins the nomination.  Suddenly Senator Clinton is the one who overcomes the will of pledged delegates, the will of the voters according to the GOP meme.  She wins when unopposed in Michigan.  And Michigan, a relatively reliable Democratic state, goes for Senator McCain by the narrowest of margins.  

 You can bash your fellow bloggers all you like, you can paint yourself into a narrow cult-like corner that plenty of Senator Obama's supporters paint themselves into, but if you are purporting to be standing up for principle it comes across a little hollow.  The Republican candidate won the nomination by winning states that Republicans usually lose in the general election.  They did it with a winner-take-all strategy.  

  Even worse, if Senator Clinton wins the primary her general election campaign will be plagued by the "states that don't matter, voters that don't matter" meme.  A good short term strategy for the nomination, but disastrous in the general election.

 Like I said, I will support Senator Clinton if she pulls it off, despite my hesitations about her Iraq war vote (and no need to go on a tangent criticizing my position, I know and understand the alternative view).  But posters on this site are playing the same sort of "let the noise machine politics" win that is endorsed by advocates they strongly despise in other settings.    

 BTD's comments only emphasize the problem:

We will have a good old time on this one.

this is a fight I relish.

they will despise me like they never have before by May 31.

10 Days of Hell for them.

I suspect they were similar reactions.

"Everyone knew that MI and FL primaries did not count". Who siad they didn't count? Because of the delegates? It's now clear they have counted otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions. Seems like a lot of people have been swallowing the Obama campaign's position of the pledged delegates as the determining factor. The superdelegates are equally part of the process and of course the popular vote was always going to be relevant if no candidate could clinch it just from pledged delegate superiority. So the FL/MI voters have always had a way of influencing the outcome through their vote.

Of course, if some voters did not feel strongly enough to make their voices heard in these circumstances, that's not a reason to suppress the votes of those that did.