home

Obama Supporting PR Gov Down 34 Points In Own Race

In a poll performed by the largest newspaper in in Puerto Rico, El Nuevo Dia, the indicted Puerto Rico Governor Anibal Acevedo Vila trails his Statehood Party opponent Luis Fortuno by 34 points, 59-25. Acevedo Vila has endorsed Barack Obama in the June 1 Puerto Rico primary.

However, the Statehood Party candidate for Resident Commissioner, Pedro Pierluisi, also an Obama endorser, holds a hefty 29 point advantage over his Commonwealth Party opponent.

I expect the newspaper also polled the Presidential primary but will release those results in the next few days. What this means, imo, is that the Statehood Party is in the ascendancy and the question is whether it will activate its political machinery at the behest of its Resident Commissioner candidate Pierluisi, or stay on the sidelines, as its Gubernatorial candidate, Fortuno, is a Republican and a McCain supporter.

My speculation is that the Presidential candidates will largely be on their own in this contest and will have to rely on their own hastily built political operations on the Island.

Here is a good telling quote from an Obama operative about how Puerto Rico works:

[T]he Clinton and Obama campaigns have been trying to unite supporters across party lines, while still exploiting the island's powerful party machines. "This is all brand-new for us," says Obama's national field director, Temo Figueroa. "We're used to grassroots politics, get the names, get the emails, but here you really have to work within their system. You've got to get to the right mayor. You've got to make sure the staff working with the statehooders are wearing blue."

That's what it is like. this is a machine jurisdiction.

By Big Tent Democrat

< Why Not Rudy For McCain's VP? | Tuesday Night Open Thread >
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft


  • Display: Sort:
    Thanks for the analysis... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by madamab on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:47:59 PM EST
    I know very little about Puerto Rican politics myself. I'm hoping for a big HRC blowout, of course. :-)

    Will obama be flip-flopping away from this guy? (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:00:48 PM EST
    obama will probably just say they misspoke, he wasn't really for him.... :)

    Parent
    Maybe he will copy Childers (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:20:14 PM EST
    and say he never asked for the endorsement and never  even met the guy. Heh.

    Parent
    Good one!! (none / 0) (#32)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:23:10 PM EST
    Me too (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by ruffian on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:46:01 PM EST
    Thanks BTD and andgarden.

    This is very interesting - at least I am learning a lot through this process.  

    Parent

    heh, I don't know anything (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:47:46 PM EST
    I'm just asking questions.

    Parent
    You know enough to ask the right questions (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by ruffian on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:35:56 PM EST
    As does everyone else asking questions, BTW (none / 0) (#64)
    by ruffian on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:41:56 PM EST
    it is just that I was reading that part of the thread at the time.

    Truly I've always been a really bad questioner of people.  I never know what I want to know until I hear it. My questions are along the lines of  'tell me everything you know until I tell you to shut up.' So I appreciate those of you who can ask the questions that get to the good stuff.

    Parent

    Well, if I had to have dinner (none / 0) (#66)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:43:19 PM EST
    with a football player, I wouldn't know where to begin.

    Parent
    BTD--OT (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Kathy on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:46:55 PM EST
    have you seen Halperin's photo of HRC tied to the railroad tracks like a damsel about to be run over by a train?

    LINK

    Nice.  Stay classy, Time.  Why not link an assassination story while you're at it.

    Parent

    These people are something else...next you (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:51:04 PM EST
    will hear the song "Strange Fruit" playing in the background while obama is at a podium....that is as classless as the pic.

    BTW, did you go vote for the new Hillary T-Shirt?

    Parent

    Not sure I get the analogy, but that (none / 0) (#84)
    by MarkL on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:13:16 PM EST
    is one heck of a song. Billie's best?

    Parent
    Yes, but the strange fruit referred to would (none / 0) (#100)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:30:02 AM EST
    be people that have been hung and are hanging in the trees...like in the old days.  I don't know how much more I can add without being deleted.

    Parent
    Saw the train-track photo: eyes still bleeding. (none / 0) (#87)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:19:08 PM EST
    This deserves a full-bore rag on the next open thread!

    Parent
    Speaking of pics (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:55:42 PM EST
    I like this cartoon

    Parent
    Hmmm. Is it cricket to (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:28:07 PM EST
    laugh at this whilst disparaging the train track deal?

    Parent
    That is the question... (none / 0) (#94)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:37:08 PM EST
    Ok...looked at the train thing (none / 0) (#95)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:38:28 PM EST
    One is not funny, the other is.  

    Parent
    check out the guy on the far right (none / 0) (#98)
    by diplomatic on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:02:51 AM EST
    looks like he's got a tingle like Matthews.

    Parent
    I think we are O/T here, but (none / 0) (#76)
    by zfran on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:58:55 PM EST
    seeing this cartoon, I somehow supposed that all the "paranoia" going on here with Obama has to do with Katrina. I think that's one of the things he played on indirectly. Only my take.

    Parent
    mmm I don't (none / 0) (#105)
    by Faust on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:38:50 AM EST
    I think it pretty much sucks.

    Parent
    for the love of pete (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by ruffian on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:58:13 PM EST
    what in the world is that picture even suppose to mean?  Is Barack supposed to be Snidely Whiplash?  I just don't understand these people.

    Parent
    Axelrod (none / 0) (#81)
    by magisterludi on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:09:49 PM EST
    has always reminded me of Snidely Whiplash.

    Parent
    Yuck. (none / 0) (#104)
    by Faust on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:38:13 AM EST
    The shameless sexism is breathtaking (none / 0) (#109)
    by Exeter on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:33:04 AM EST
    It's almost as if the more sexism is questioned in this race, the more outlandish they get.  I think their view is that stopping the sexist slant would be an admission of guilt, so full steam ahead!

    Parent
    That's one I can handle! lol!~ (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by nycstray on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:10:18 PM EST
    I think you would (none / 0) (#70)
    by ruffian on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:54:30 PM EST
    They all have agents and lawyers.  You could get through the whole evening without talking about sports once!

    Parent
    Piece of cake... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:56:50 PM EST
    so, "what do you guys talk about in the huddle"?  

    Parent
    What IS a tight end, exactly? (none / 0) (#77)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:58:59 PM EST
    The reason I started watching football . . . . ;) (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by nycstray on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:13:52 PM EST
    Ahh, an episcopalian? (none / 0) (#79)
    by Stellaaa on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:05:16 PM EST
    A good thing. (none / 0) (#80)
    by MarkL on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:05:41 PM EST
    especially when montezuma extracts his (none / 0) (#101)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:31:55 AM EST
    revenge... :)

    Parent
    Ben Smith @Politico reports (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by ajain on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:00:35 PM EST
    That the Clinton family is going make a big weekend push in Puerto Rico. So maybe they see a good chance there.

    She will win Puerto Rico easy (none / 0) (#102)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:35:59 AM EST
    Are they going to be down there? Maybe they just love the weather

    Parent
    A question... (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by Shainzona on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:40:28 PM EST
    Will Hispanics here "on the mainland" be as offended that BO has never taken them seriously until now?  I mean, so many HRC female candidates are pi$$ed as hell at Obama that nothing in the world will make them vote for BO.

    Will Hispanics react the same way - in essence he blew them off and now he wants to play nice?

    Will that create blowback at BO?

    I know here in Tucson that Hispanic HRC supporters are very strong supporters of her.

    If I were obama, I would not hold my breath (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:46:13 PM EST
    waiting for them to vote for him.

    Parent
    No worries... (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by madamab on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:50:00 PM EST
    the Unity Pony will carry them to Obama's side. ;-)

    Parent
    Heh (none / 0) (#57)
    by Lahdee on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:24:52 PM EST
    I saw one today. It was bright and shiny. Stopped by my house and asked for food. I don't have any unity pony food so I offered to take him for oats. Seems that wasn't what he wanted to hear cause he whinnied in disgust, dirtied my yard and flew off towards Denver.

    Hope he makes it.

    Parent

    LOL! (none / 0) (#58)
    by madamab on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:26:50 PM EST
    The pony has wings, too!

    Parent
    It's like Icarus (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by ruffian on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:43:04 PM EST
    or didn't you hear?

    Parent
    Why didn't that Obama is Icarus (none / 0) (#89)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:27:29 PM EST
    magical, mystical meme get any play in the MSM? Did it show up on many blogs? Next thing Axelrod will be likening him to a Unicorn (a Unipony, a Unicorny, a Uniponycorn).

    Parent
    Might as well...we are talking fairytale? (none / 0) (#71)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:54:56 PM EST
    Aren't we?

    Parent
    The Unity Pony is a False Idol (none / 0) (#110)
    by Exeter on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:35:12 AM EST
    Obama is the only God.

    Parent
    I lived in Tucson for many years. (none / 0) (#92)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:32:24 PM EST
    I've been wondering whether Hillary has majority support from Hispanics in Pima County (which trends progressive). How about Hispanic support in the state as a whole?

    Parent
    How to undermine a win of 55 delegates. (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:28:39 PM EST
    >
    Bless his heart. Nice to see that Time magazine's Michael Grunwald is taking such a neutral and unbiased tone in his assessment of Senator Clinton's prospective win in PR:

    Puerto Rico's June 1 Democratic primary is the kind of contest that Hillary Clinton's campaign would dismiss as meaningless if Barack Obama were favored to win it. But Clinton is favored to win it easily, so she's casting it as an important test of strength among Hispanic voters, and she campaigned there this past holiday weekend. There will actually be 55 delegates at stake, more than in most state primaries, so it won't be meaningless.

    Of course Senator Clinton's perceived hypocrisy on this matter bears no resemblance at all to Obama's minimizing of Hillary's wins in a bunch of states that are, in Obama's mind only, closer to Arkansas than Illinois.
    >

    Ah yes. (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by madamab on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:35:35 PM EST
    The amazing mind-reading abilities of Obama supporters.

    However do they do it? I am simply in awe.

    Perhaps the Unity Pony comes equipped with a Magic 8 Ball?

    Parent

    'Time' traveling mind-melder Grunwald: HRC's eevil (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Ellie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:13:20 PM EST
    Time Mag's own mind-melding evil sniffer Mike Grunwald detects trace elements of mendacity that ordinary noses couldn't tell is occuring in the present:

    the kind of contest that Hillary Clinton's campaign would dismiss as meaningless if Barack Obama were favored to win

    (The fact that this is only evident to Grunwald is why he works at Time.)

    But wait! Grunwald's nose can do this in the future, sniff the evil there, and come back to the present to make as emphatic a claim:

    But Clinton is favored to win it easily, so she's casting it as an important test of strength

    Note that Sen Clinton has actually done nothing here, but to Grunwald (and by implied endorsement, Time Magazine) actual words, deeds and events aren't necessary when Grunwald's nose is in effect.

    Clinton ... evil ... bank on it.


    Parent

    Governor of PR is also casting an Obama win in PR (none / 0) (#112)
    by TomLincoln on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:56:15 PM EST
    as though it were his own, with an obvious cup of deniability put in for good cause. He needs an Obama win to show he is not as DOA as the recent polls show him. So this is more a test of his ability to rally his troops just as well as it is a test between two Democratic contenders.

    Parent
    Good for Clinton? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Kathy on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:47:33 PM EST
    If neither is assisted by local "machines," then it's on equal footing, right?

    I was wondering the other day about local machines, and how ones who went all out for Clinton or Obama will feel if their opponent wins.  Everything has been so heated.  I just wonder if we are going to see long-lasting fall out from that machine-wise (as we are already seeing voter-wise).

    I suspect it's good for her margin (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:49:31 PM EST
    but bad for turnout. Who knows.

    Parent
    well, at least we can be 100% certain (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Kathy on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:51:29 PM EST
    of one thing...which is that we have no idea what will happen.

    I know that all the Clintons, from Chelsea to Bill to the lady herself, have been stressing to PR how important their turn-out is for the popular vote.  I have it in my phone script so people know.

    Parent

    One Thing I DO Know About Puerto Ricans (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:02:44 PM EST
    aka boricuas, is that they talk constantly amongst themselves.  Nuyoricans are on the bandwagon for Hillary and you can be sure their friends and families will be too!

    Parent
    Calling Puerto Rico? (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:52:25 PM EST
    How's your Spanish?

    Parent
    extremely trashy (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Kathy on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:30:41 PM EST
    I picked it up from the uneducated (though razor-smart) Nicaraguan wife of a cousin who met her while working in the Peace Corps.  Voseo!  I don't know if the campaign screened or not, but most of the folks I have called speak English.  Some have said, "Please, speak English!"  

    I haven't been as active in my calling because I am getting ready to leave the country.  I'm still doing what I can for my girl, though.  

    Parent

    What kind of reception are you (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:56:50 PM EST
    getting to your calls on behalf of Clinton?

    Parent
    we don't need to know spanish anyway (none / 0) (#40)
    by boredmpa on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:34:56 PM EST
    Heh, with Dragon Naturally Speaking medical and the right software I can provide medical advice :P

    Of course instant Speech to Speech translation isn't perfect (and currently only english to spanish with the software I use), but I can understand enough spanish to get the gist of things without someone having to type it out.

    Parent

    OT sorry but have you tried Dragon in other langs? (none / 0) (#88)
    by Ellie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:24:38 PM EST
    I use vox but haven't tried "foreign" languages yet. (I speak fluent Spanglish and FrItalian with a smattering of Ragga-Jive but when I started using Dragon around 6-7 years ago, it was just more efficient to rely on dictionaries.) How efficient is the medical version?

    I'm also looking for a version that skews to my field (which is neither medical nor legal).

    Sorry for the OT but if you can drop some hints about this in an open thread, I'd appreciate it.

    Parent

    'fraid not (none / 0) (#106)
    by boredmpa on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:27:57 AM EST
    it's been a while for me looking at dragon too, i just started messing with dragon again this year and i'm pretty impressed with tablet/laptop performance in english out of the box (much better if you train it).  Medical seems fine, it's just a rather large custom dictionary (disclosure: i'm not a doctor, but medical uses a lot more memory and install space).  It's missing lycanthropy though :(  

    There might be a separate vendor for your occupation, dunno.  I don't know how well it works with accents or non-native speakers. I'm going to assume that spanglish would be problematic for the spanish version :)

    About the only useful info I can provide is that DNS Spanish usually comes with DNS english--but not the opposite. So if you plan to buy a copy, look at buying the international one to get 2 for one.  Also, MS Speech 8.1/Dictation comes with Vista in english, but if you have vista ultimate or enterprise you can download spanish/i18n language packs.  Unfortunately, you can't change languages on the fly in Vista. You have to log out or reboot and change all the menus to dictate in spanish.  Really annoying.

    Random thought: I predict 10 years to speech to speech translation on phones.

    OT, but this thread looks dead anyway so maybe i shall escape the culling.

    Parent

    Thanks so much for this! (none / 0) (#107)
    by Ellie on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:48:37 AM EST
    I appreciate the detail.

    I was using Dragon yrs ago to make notes while keeping my hands free (no not for the usual online reasons) for digital graphics, but the memory, cache and storage requirements even on top of the line systems at the time simply didn't allow for simultaneous movement between sound and graphics. The wait time was just counter to the ease of speech.

    I always liked vox for computer commands and dictation and stuck to that but now that memory and storage alternatives are cheaper, I want to incorporate Dragon again. My old English one's working out fine for now. (Stupid Dragon trick: eat celery or chips and swap the ensuing "poetry" with fellow speech-to-text users.)

    I use a tablet for digital art, handwriting, crop-marks etc. and dictation to text commentary is easier for transmission and editing into a report format.

    I wish tableture hadn't lagged behind in development, though. I kept my old Palm around just to use that function. I learned the Palm digital alphabet (handwriting to computer txt) years ago and find it indispensable; it's like doing calculations on an abacus, a skill I learned a long time ago and which has come in surprisingly handy for someone "innumerate" like myself.

    Thanks again for the info!

    Parent

    If Rossello had beaten Fortuno (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:57:37 PM EST
    in the Statehood Party primary, he would have completely mobilized the Statehood Party machinery and Clinton would have won 2-1 in my opinion.

    Parent
    I agree 100% (none / 0) (#113)
    by TomLincoln on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:07:24 PM EST
    But I'm also surprised not to have heard Rossello come out more publicly in favor of Clinton.

    Parent
    Nah. They're used to it. (none / 0) (#63)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:38:19 PM EST
    Definition of "political machine."  Half the time, your guy loses.  Can't take it personal.

    Parent
    Isn't that kind of lead unusual in PR? (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:48:39 PM EST


    I'll take: (5.00 / 5) (#42)
    by ruffian on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:37:11 PM EST
    Comment headlines you never thought you would see in primary season

    for $200, Alex

    Parent

    Sure it (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:54:01 PM EST
    will never hold up.

    But I expect a 10 point loss for Acevedo, which is the equivalent of a 25 point loss here.

    Parent

    Interesting (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:57:03 PM EST
    Would a win like that really have any impact on the likelihood of statehood? My impression formed in DC is that Fortuño is otherwise a down-the-line Republican.  

    Parent
    None (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:58:39 PM EST
    This is all about the disastrous economy and being indicted.

    Puerto Rico is in terrible shape right now.

    Parent

    How are they doing? (none / 0) (#6)
    by Iphie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:51:36 PM EST
    My speculation is that the Presidential candidates will largely be on their own in this contest and will have to rely on their own hastily built political operations on the Island.
    And how do you think the two of them are faring?

    Not a clue (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:54:57 PM EST
    Actually ay MyDD (none / 0) (#10)
    by TruthMatters on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:56:24 PM EST
    a few days ago they did a diary about PR and how turn out is going to be much lower then expected.

    ...Manuel Alvarez-Rivera, a Puerto Rican election expert who scoffed at the widely accepted estimate here on the mainland of a turnout of 1,000,000 voters in Puerto Rico's June 1 primary. [...]

    ...the one million figure is based on the astronomical turnout that marks some Puerto Rican elections that deal with the fraught issue of that island's status, and as Alvarez-Rivera told me, that sort of intensity probably won't spill over to a presidential primary. He suggested the real number would be around 600,000.



    If the PArty machinery's do not acitivate (none / 0) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:00:56 PM EST
    They won't come close. 500,000 would be good in those circumstances.

    Acevedo is not going to do much, even if he could, the Statehooders are going to sit it out imo so 500,000 would be a good turnout imo.

    If the Parties were working though, turnout could have been huge. Well over a million imo.

    Parent

    Are there not enough people (none / 0) (#22)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:03:39 PM EST
    who will turn out the vote for the highest bidder? I would have expected one or the other candidates to lubricate with street money.

    Parent
    all that works through the parties (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:09:12 PM EST
    unless they have built some quick and dirty machines, it is not easy. Puerto rico is a real patronage jurisdiction.

    You get your government job by working hard for the Party and then you pay it back by working when they tell you too.

    Think Tammany Hall.

    "Pala" is the word.

    Parent

    Got it (none / 0) (#26)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:14:14 PM EST
    I will say that it's the only example I know of of a machine system that is also genuinely two-party. In Tammany Hall, you were either a Democrat or from upstate. In the pre-1950 Philly machine, even the Democrats were owned by the Republicans.

    Parent
    It flips all the time (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:18:54 PM EST
    and the political discrimination cases come every turnover of government.

    It is a cottage industry for lawyers. The First Circuit has decided hundreds of these cases.

    Parent

    First Circuit leads Nation in Political (none / 0) (#114)
    by TomLincoln on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:19:31 PM EST
    Discrimination cases.

    Recently in Lopez-Quinones v. Puerto Rico National Guard, No. 07-1976, a qualified immunity case involving political discrimination, First Circuit Judge Torruella stated (Concurring in part, Dissenting in part) as follows:

      "This circuit leads the nation as one of the most prolific generators of political discrimination cases; in this area of litigation, the District of Puerto Rico has the dubious distinction of being the most fecund district in the circuit."

    Parent

    Can we predict, anyway, (none / 0) (#31)
    by Cream City on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:22:36 PM EST
    that if Obama does well in PR, mainland media will report that he now has no problem with Hispanics?  And that it is another death knell for Clinton, as she must be losing all those Hispanics in NYC?:-)  Or if he does not do well, then mainland media suddenly will get smart and mention that there is a big difference between some Hispanics and other Hispanics, between mainland and island Hispanics, etc. . . .

    Nah, scratch that last paragraph, premised on media actually doing research and reflecting realities.  But the first paragraph stands.  Oh, and if it doesn't go well for Obama, they're all Appalachians in PR.  And racists.  And, of course, IACF.

    <looking forward to learning more re PR from you>

    Parent

    I'm interested to see (none / 0) (#33)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:26:17 PM EST
    if there's an exit poll in PR. If so, I wonder what it would even tell us.

    Parent
    exit polling (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Kathy on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:21:33 PM EST
    yes, I wonder what the hispanic vote will be for Obama.  This may prove that he has no problem at all...

    Parent
    Wrong Kathy (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:04:02 PM EST
    you can't compare Puerto Ricans to Chicanos like me or the millions of others like me that live in the southwest US.

    The cultural differences are wide and narrow.  The language is the common thread but the experiences are huge.  Dominicans and Hondurans are as different to one another as Mexicans and Panamanians that live here in the USA.  The Puerto Rican election is not that much of a barometer to how mainland Latinos will vote with respect to Obama if he is the nom in the fall.

    Cubans in southern FL are notoriously republican.  Texas Latinos are pretty fluid between the parties.  

    I could go on and on......

    Parent

    Nornmally there are not (none / 0) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:30:51 PM EST
    But maybe Edison Mitofsky has been hired for it.

    Parent
    I think any claims about what the results mean (none / 0) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:30:14 PM EST
    in terms of the states are utter BS from anybody. This is sui generis imo.

    Parent
    Well, that affirms it (none / 0) (#41)
    by Cream City on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:36:25 PM EST
    since utter b.s. well describes media output.

    But I forgot another and perhaps most obvious outcome:  That PR results will be ignored, and not even reported, as were FL and MI results by a certain network that alleges to provide "news."  After all, they're telling us that PR votes don't count, either.

    Parent

    That came out of the NY Observer... (none / 0) (#47)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:42:17 PM EST
    Alvarez-Rivera fancies himself an expert on many country's elections...seems like it anyway.

    PuertoRicoElections

    Parent

    that I don't know (none / 0) (#19)
    by TruthMatters on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:01:20 PM EST
    thats what the MyDD diary said, I don't know how good the source Todd was quoting on this

    He is indicted (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:02:34 PM EST
    A 19 count indictment from the US District court in Philly.

    Parent
    Ouch. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by madamab on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:08:47 PM EST
    Obama's involvement with him would appear to be indeed "boneheaded."

    Parent
    Well (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:10:16 PM EST
    As I wrote when this first csme up, I have a lot of friend s in that Administration and I think the governor is a victim of a witch hunt.

    Parent
    It certainly wouldn't be the first time. (none / 0) (#30)
    by madamab on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:22:19 PM EST
    Sigh.

    Parent
    That could be bad or good. . . (none / 0) (#96)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:45:45 PM EST
    depending on whether he's actually a witch or not.

    Spitzer was the victim of a witch hunt too.  Unfortunately, when they came to get him they found him dressed in black, with a pointy hat, trying to stuff Joe Bruno into a bubbling cauldron of newts blood.

    Parent

    Where he belongs! ;-) (none / 0) (#97)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:51:56 PM EST
    Does (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:21:59 PM EST
    having an indicted governor make a difference? Is it a drag or no effect? Just wondering what you thought.

    It's a drag because (none / 0) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:29:11 PM EST
    his patronage strength is severely diminished. He is on his way out. His machine is no longer really in existence.

    Parent
    Why did he run for reelection? (none / 0) (#43)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:38:47 PM EST
    No clue (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:39:17 PM EST
    Pol are delusional sometimes.

    Parent
    Ernie Fletcher style (none / 0) (#46)
    by andgarden on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:40:32 PM EST
    Did he have a serious primary opponent?

    Parent
    There was a Party convention (none / 0) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:51:12 PM EST
    whee he put it to a Party vote.

    Parent
    Justr visited the blue page (none / 0) (#35)
    by pie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:30:03 PM EST
    and read about Scott McClellan's book.

    How about a post on that?

    McClellan Is another one who should be (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:48:21 PM EST
    tried as a traitor...

    Parent
    Meh (none / 0) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:31:56 PM EST
    I'll leave that to J. I am a horserace blogger.

    Parent
    Okay, (none / 0) (#39)
    by pie on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:33:56 PM EST
    But does it affect the horserace?

    Prolly not.

    Parent

    Maybe OT, but what would it take to get statehood (none / 0) (#51)
    by ruffian on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:48:01 PM EST
    for PR?  Are Puerto Ricans in favor of it, to start with?

    They keep voting against statehood (none / 0) (#103)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:37:29 AM EST
    every time

    Parent
    BTD's update... (none / 0) (#55)
    by madamab on Tue May 27, 2008 at 09:03:06 PM EST
    makes it sound like PR is a very difficult place to get to know in a short time.

    I wonder which campaign has better contacts?

    Can I ask a silly question? (none / 0) (#83)
    by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:12:00 PM EST
    What are the demographics of PR?  I mean, even Sweden has some diversity.

    It's also unclear to me from the primaries to date how black Hispanics are voting.  Exit polls tend to look at ethnicity differently from the US Census version, I think.

    If you look... (none / 0) (#91)
    by Alec82 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:29:55 PM EST
    ...on wikipedia (not a great source, I admit) the picture is confused by self-identification.  I doubt much can be read into Puerto Rico's primary results, insofar as we are talking about mainland demographics.

    Parent
    Hey Steve (none / 0) (#99)
    by diplomatic on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:08:42 AM EST
    I was born and raised in Puerto Rico so if you want to ask some questions, email me if you want.

    Parent
    Are you doing an open thread? (none / 0) (#93)
    by masslib on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:35:50 PM EST


    Volunteering in Luquillo and Fajardo (none / 0) (#108)
    by nulee on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:22:26 AM EST
    for HRC, lots of enthusiasm and shouts of HEE - LAH - REE! Makes me wish mainland politics had a little more celebration to it.  We carried flags from our car to lots of enthusiastic beeping.

    We did literally get mooned by one Obama supporter, but what can I say, its that tightly run operation we all here about so much!

    Governor being represented by attorneys from (none / 0) (#111)
    by TomLincoln on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:48:40 PM EST
    Sidley Austin's DC offices. Obama met Michelle at Sidley Austin's Chicago headquarters. The Governorhad been under federal grand jury investigation for a long time when he endorsed Obama earlier this year, but had not been indicted. After indictment came down, Obama surrogates spoke to press in PR distancing Obama from Governor. Jury trial set to commence on February 2009. I happen to be working with a Philadelphia firm as local counsel for one of the defendants in the case. But that has not lasted. Obama needs to PDP machine in PR. And, yes, they are working for him. I heard reports on radio today that Caguas and Carolina mayors would both be running GOTV for Obama, as well as a number of other PDP mayors. Have not heard of similar reports for Hillary.

    I do not think that the Statehood party will be using their machine in favor of either candidate.

    And today Ricky Martin put out a press release urging all latinos to back Hillary.