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By Jeralyn, Section Blog Related
Posted on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 07:31:07 PM EST
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BTD is traveling. I'm still working.

What's on TV tonight? The Hollywood rounds begin on American Idol and Ellen DeGeneres debuts as a show co-host. It's Jay Leno's last prime time show, will anyone notice?

There's also Lost (which I don't watch) and The Good Wife.

In other news, Radley Balko writes of the 250th DNA exoneration and asks, how many more innocents in prison are there?

Is Iran bluffing? Sure sounds like it.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Heeeere's (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 10:22:36 PM EST
    Wanda Sykes video clip.

    why is everyone so down on Jay Leno? (none / 0) (#1)
    by athyrio on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 08:06:39 PM EST
    I don't get it...I always enjoyed him when he had the Tonight Show...when NBC decided to replace him, he didn't complain and stepped away and when Conan didn't cut it, he came back...Where is the crime?

    I thought he was acceptable on the Tonight Show (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 08:20:28 PM EST
    I never watched since I don't find him funny, but I did not complain about it. Plenty of other alternatives - including sleep. My own vocal Leno opposition started when they gave him a prime time show every night of the week.  I thought that was the most ridiculous thing I ever heard of.  He should have realized it too, and never gone along with it. He obviously has enough clout at NBC to have nixed that idea.

    Between him and Conan, I don't care that much - never watched Conan either!!! My objection was to Leno in prime time, and as long as that era is over, I am satisfied.


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    Ha! And I'm even on the record! (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 08:27:11 PM EST
    From 09/08/2009, right here at TL:

    And, I have to confess to a gleeful morbid anticipation of the new Jay Leno show. I think it is going to be a horrible show and crash of epic proportions. The ads aren't even close to funny. Sorry Jay fans. Yes, I'm a horrible person.

    Wish I could be that right about everything!

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    "he didn't complain"?? heh that's funny. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Dan the Man on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 08:33:17 PM EST
    In any case, let me point out the uncontested fact that the reason "he came back" (even though "he" [ie Jay] never  left) was not because "Conan didn't cut it", it was because he (ie Jay) didn't cut it on his Jay Leno Show (ie the affiliates rebeled), and that's why he was "moved back" to the Tonight Show.  Historical Revisionism doesn't cut it.

    Here's the non-revised history of what really happened.

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    It was pretty much just cheaper (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 08:38:55 PM EST
    for NBC to fire Conan than Jay. That's a big part of the reason why Jay got the 10PM show in the first place, frankly.

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    Why? (none / 0) (#11)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 11:28:07 PM EST
    Because he's a man SOB who puts on a genial happy face while he's delivering very ugly "jokes" and ridicule of actual people.  I have no use for him, personally.

    Conan I just find sophomoric and boring, so it's not an either-or for me.  I don't like either one of them, but I do take a some nasty pleasure of my own at Leon's failures.  I don't care one way or the other about Conan.

    As for the politics of the thing, there's a sense that Jay's good nature about being demote, essentially, is just another happy face he put on for the public and that he's been cut-throat behind the scenes.  That's probably not altogether fair, but tough.  He earned it by his choice of "humor," IMHO.

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    Er, that's (none / 0) (#12)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 11:28:28 PM EST
    "mean" SOB.

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    The Lenny Bruce defense (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 10:13:34 AM EST
    these hacks love to evoke Lenny Bruce -- who died for their sins? -- whenever they get called on the pointless, sophomoric, bottom-feeding. And I picture Lenny spinning in his grave at 400 rpm whenever they do.

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    250 innocent (none / 0) (#7)
    by diogenes on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 10:01:36 PM EST
    In 2009 there were 7.3 million Americans in prison, on parole, or on probation.  250 found innocent by DNA is one in thirty thousand.
    It's good for the 250 to be freed but this kind of error rate does not exactly shake confidence in the criminal justice system.
     

    How many of the 7.3 million prisoners (none / 0) (#8)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Feb 09, 2010 at 10:11:48 PM EST
    were availed of DNA testing? That statistic would certainly give a more accurate ratio.

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    he was acquitted of doing that (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 03:37:38 AM EST
    The testimony was that the glass incident was an accident. He was convicted of a misdemeanor for the way he dragger her out of the building. He said she was resisting going to the hospital and he was forcefully but not abusively getting her out of the building and into the car. The Judge accepted that version and found him not guilty of the felony glass cut only the misdemeanor dragging.

    Let's keep our accusations real please.

    J, wasn't he convicted of misdemeanor assault? (none / 0) (#23)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:02:21 PM EST
    Your characterization of events is confusing to me. Is there even such a thing as "misdemeanor dragging"?

    I see the judge concluded that a water glass somehow got smashed in the woman's face by "accident". But did the judge also accept Monserrate's story that he then "forcefully but not abusively" dragged the struggling, injured woman down a hallway, out of his apartment building and into a car? Is that what made it a conviction for misdemeanor assault rather than felony assault?

    Furthermore, what gave him the right to drag a woman into a car against her will and drive off with her? When does a thing like that meet the definition of abduction? So, he eventually ended up taking the woman to a hospital 20 miles away - does that then constitute lawful excuse, or some such thing?

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    Why didn't Montserrate call 911? (none / 0) (#24)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 02:28:01 PM EST
    Was he ever called upon to explain why he chose not to call 911 and simply get an ambulance for the injured woman? After all, that's what reasonable people do.

    Was he hoping not to involve the authorities? And wouldn't that work against a lawful excuse for dragging her off with him against her will?

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    Heh, there he goes again! (none / 0) (#15)
    by Fabian on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 04:22:54 AM EST
    ...as Reagan would say.

    This should be entertaining.  Maybe he's hoping for sympathy votes?  

    The super bowl Ad causing the stir is not (none / 0) (#16)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 06:16:49 AM EST
    the Tim Tebow ad, but the Audi "Green Police" ad.  Shades of San Francisco?

    I haven't seen the Tebow ad yet (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 07:09:18 AM EST
    I was flying during the Super Bowl

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    It was so nice to be back in (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 07:30:14 AM EST
    Colorado, my asthma just went away too.  It was almost a vacation and made it hard to want to come home. When we got back I immediately went and got my monthly asthma prescriptions of Singular, Advair, antihistimine, and rescue inhaler.  The same pharmacy tech checked me out who always does.  She gives me my meds monthly, gives Josh his painkillers after surgery, always has a smile and kind words to a hurting little kid.  I would say she is in her mid fifties.  She is definitely hard working and very very intelligent.  Yesterday though she looked at my bill as she was adding it up and said that she wished she only had to pay $9.00 for Singular.  She has always had a very raspy voice and I've noticed that as my asthma continues mine is too but I did not know she suffers from severe asthma too.  She told me that she has to pay around $130 for her Singular and also around a $130 for her Advair.  She cannot afford both, only one, and her Advair helps more than Singular does.  I'm the other way around and Singular seems to help more than my Advair but at least I get the benefits from both of them and I need those benefits too.  I felt so ashamed of my country, our leaders......and I simply just felt ashamed because I'm in a catagory of one who deserves to be served and she isn't.  This woman serves me all the time, the pharmacy is always packed too and she keeps everyone and their meds straight.....but she can't have the same health care she provides to others.  She doesn't even get what could be described as health care.

    You were in... (none / 0) (#19)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 08:16:22 AM EST
    ...the neighborhood and didn't even call?  :(

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    I'm so sorry (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 12:04:42 PM EST
    I will likely be back when spouse gets home because sadly we have a family member losing the battle with cancer.  He's far too young too, only about ten years older than I am.  He is a retired police officer and he's very conservative so I've spent the entire time he's been in my family debating him, but always with love.  His youngest child, a son, just graduated from high school.  This is really going to super suck.  So I flew into DIA, rented a car, crashed hard at my Aunt's in Gleneagle.  Got up the next day and rounded up all of Joshua's local medical records because his old ortho surgeon had changed groups she practices with.  Then the next day we meet with her....got good news got bad news but I did get a very well informed game plan and the name of the world's leading arthogryposis doctor in Seattle.  Then we quickly ran to where Josh used to receive physical therapy all the time, the people who actually carried this family in those early days too, and hugged and carried on.  Then I had to have dinner with Aunt and new very serious boyfriend who works for TSA.  Can you believe it?  He's a behaviorist :)  Didn't Jeralyn just put up a post about the new "behaviorists" watching our every airport move :)?  I really like him too and she was mad about him, they were counting the days since they first meet each other like kids.  But he's brand new in her life and he won't quit peeing on all four corners of her life marking his territory and now she's getting POed.  The next day I went to see my country cousins because of what is going down with losing a family member out there soon.  His daughter for whatever reason has become so close to us.  When she was a senior in high school at Rush Co, she would drive 30 miles to Colo Springs and stay with us and take some college classes too.  She so impressed me way back then, she is like a little sister.  So I spent two days out there with her and her mom as everyone prepares for what comes next.  Then we raced to DIA, planed, flew, drove, slept, and school came the next day.  Told my husand that most likely shortly after he gets home we will need to go to Colorado.  When we do, we would love to have dinner with you.  I would really like for Josh to meet you.  He needs to meet other adults who have been challenged yet continue to make their own life.  He is sort of a mascot at his school, and that isn't a bad thing but it isn't all the way around a good thing either.  There will be places in his adult life where he will go that will not be so kind and always gentle. He will need other support than just me and other teachings from others who carry wisdoms that I do not have.  We would love to treat you and you have great taste so if you are up for doing this I want you to pick the spot.

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    I'll look forward to it! (none / 0) (#22)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Feb 10, 2010 at 01:40:53 PM EST
    Mom's coming into town tonight for two weeks, so we'll be trying out a few new places.  I'm not real big on eating out alone, so her visit gives me a good excuse to get out and about.  

    And maybe my place will be all repaired by then and you guys can come over and I'll whip something up.

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